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Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Oct 16th, 2013 at 12:27am
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The one I just received from Wisner's is TWICE the thickness of the original--so thick the mainspring screw isn't long enough to reach the lower tang.  Could grind it down enough to get the screw started, but I'd still wind up with a pull probably about 12 lb.; hard to believe they're able to sell them.  They were out of stock on the extractor I also needed, but I'm forgetting about that, after seeing this spring.
  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #1 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:56am
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Is there a difference between the 1894 and the 1915 mainsprings?
  

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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #2 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 8:55am
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What does Wisner's say about it?

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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #3 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 9:07am
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 6:56am:
Is there a difference between the 1894 and the 1915 mainsprings?


The 1915 employs a coil spring--a "better idea" if it could be adapted to the '94.  Would have ordered both had I anticipated this problem.  Now, however, I'm not willing to waste another $6.50 shipping charge (actual cost about $2) to find out if it could be used.
  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #4 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 9:17am
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westerner wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 8:55am:
What does Wisner's say about it?

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What more remains to be said about an obviously defective product?  I'll find out when I call later today to  request "permission" to return it.  Could grind the spring down it's entire length to weaken it enough to allow an acceptable pull, something I've done before with other springs, but there's considerable risk of going 'too far" and ruining it.
  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #5 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 9:21am
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Is everyone aware that there are THREE differenet 1894 Favorite mainsprings. Also THREE differenet Hammers due to the spring seat to match the Mainspring

The early one is about .055" thick and is not screwed to the bottom tang, it rests against the side of the screw head, arcs up almost to the top tang, drops back down and the last 5/8" of the spring bends back up under the hammer, the spring recess is a square cut with a very small raduis in the corner.

Then the intermediate mainspring is 3/32" thick that is screwed to the bottom tang, it moves up slightly and foreward, then at the end the tail is a upside down tear drop shape to match the larger raduis in the hammer.

The last version is 3/32" thick is screwed to the bottom tang, moves up slightly and is fairly flat all the way to the tip. This hammer is differenet as the spring seat is much lower and goes almost all the way into the pivot screw hole. BUT has a lowered pad section that rides on top of the flat section of the mainspring.

The 1915 hammer and coil spring system is a whole other thing, and you could fit it IF you can find a 1915 Hammer.

The hammers and mainsprings do not interchange, so it is imporant to match the proper mainspring to the hammer.

So bottom line is after how many decades of use for that rifle, parts could have been changed, and altered vs what you think you have.

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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
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WCFMetalsmith wrote on Oct 16th, 2013 at 9:21am:
Is everyone aware that there are THREE differenet 1894 Favorite mainsprings. Also THREE differenet Hammers due to the spring seat to match the Mainspring
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Knew there were at least two, because De Haas shows photo of the first variation.  (Somewhat confusingly, photo is labeled "Model 1889," but the receiver shown is actually one of the later '94s, without the "square cut".)

The 2nd variation is the one I have--with the "square cut" receiver. (I like the rather archaic look of these early Favorites & 44s.)  I could easily make Wisener's spring "work" by grinding down enough metal to start the screw, but I'm not going to shoot anything with such a heavy pull as this spring would create, let alone such a fly-weight as a Favorite.

  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #7 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 12:22am
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The early Favorites with the square breech cut on the receiver, are also fitted with the 7 O'clock extractor. All of those have the early high arched mainspring that is not screwed to the lower tang. 
All lot of those also have the two diameter barrel shank, and the tension screw in the breech to bear against the receiver to tighten up the lever from drooping. 
The screw in the lower tang the mainspring butts against has a high, 1/4" tall head.
The hammer spur also has a very nicely shaped double radius spur that sits lower than the later hammers. Once Stevens made the mainspring heavier they raised the spur upward, and longer to make it easier to cock the hammer.

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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #8 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 9:29am
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WCFMetalsmith wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 12:22am:
The early Favorites with the square breech cut on the receiver, are also fitted with the 7 O'clock extractor. All of those have the early high arched mainspring that is not screwed to the lower tang. 
All lot of those also have the two diameter barrel shank, and the tension screw in the breech to bear against the receiver to tighten up the lever from drooping. 
The screw in the lower tang the mainspring butts against has a high, 1/4" tall head.
The hammer spur also has a very nicely shaped double radius spur that sits lower than the later hammers. Once Stevens made the mainspring heavier they raised the spur upward, and longer to make it easier to cock the hammer.

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Looked in Stevens catalogs #51 & #52 for parts drawings or numbers for these three different hammers & mainsprings, but found only one hammer & spring listed.  (The three extractors were separately illustrated & numbered.)

This particular Favorite (with 7 o'clock extractor, & tension screw) has the 1/4" mainspring screw, BUT the spring was screwed down tight, not butted against the screw head.  Maybe the spring is an old replacement, or maybe it's just Stevens' eccentric way of doing things.  Anyway, I'm exchanging the screwed-down spring for the earlier variant.
  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #9 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:17am
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I found this in an old post on this forum:
The early Stevens 44 had a very special mainspring-the more tenson on the hammer, the less on the trigger-it;s the shape of the spring.Call Norman Johnson @ 701-448-9188 for new springs like these, he make's em.

Sounds like this might be a possible source, but I don't have any personal knowledge of him or his products.
  
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Re: Another source for Favorite mainspring?
Reply #10 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 3:40pm
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RobertS wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 11:17am:
I found this in an old post on this forum:
The early Stevens 44 had a very special mainspring-the more tenson on the hammer, the less on the trigger-it;s the shape of the spring.Call Norman Johnson @ 701-448-9188 for new springs like these, he make's em.

Sounds like this might be a possible source, but I don't have any personal knowledge of him or his products. 


Thanks.  Will look into this if 2nd Wisener spring proves unworkable.
  
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