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John Boy Ex Member	Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Aug 6^th, 2013 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	In The Handloader Manual of Cartridge Conversions it lists: Data Source: Handloader Magazine Issue 111, September 1984, pg 36 Lead 75gr 3.5gr Unique Velocity - 1343 Source - Sengel In addition, stevens52 used with accuracy - 2.0gr Red Dot and the Lyman 257420, 65gr bullet and suggests Trail Boss


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craigster Oldtimer Offline Posts: 683 Location: lost coast CA Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	Ackley: 60gr bullet, 8-11gr 2400, 1525-2035 fps 86gr bullet, 6-10gr 2400, 955-1675 fps


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:34pm	Print Post
	John Boy, Is this going to be used in your 1894 Favorite?

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	Quote: Is this going to be used in your 1894 Favorite? BP - Yes, and with a load that is a real low pressure. I sent a mail to IMR also for recommendation using Trail Boss.


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4014 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:00pm	Print Post
	Does anyone have definitive info on the origin of the 25 Hornet? The parent case has been around for at least 70 or so years, so I'm wondering when somebody got the bright idea to neck it up from 22 to 25(?) Froggie


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3877 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:28pm	Print Post
	Green_Frog wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 9:00pm: Does anyone have definitive info on the origin of the 25 Hornet? The parent case has been around for at least 70 or so years, so I'm wondering when somebody got the bright idea to neck it up from 22 to 25(?) Froggie Would it then be politically correct in ASSRA competitions?

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	Legal but probably won't meet the Traditional rules CW.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:36pm	Print Post
	The parent to the Hornet was the 22 WCF (.228 groove) of 1885. I would be totally supprised if no one had necked it up to 25 cal. in the 32 years prior to WW1 but, I know of no record of it. To bad. Frank

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2013 at 11:43pm	Print Post
	Quote: Does anyone have definitive info on the origin of the 25 Hornet? G_F, these are nice overviews of the caliber plus a multitude of detail information (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) This is the article I would like to read because the 25 Hornet cartridge length is longer than the chamber cast I made on the '94 Favorite ... Quote: I think Frank De Haas also wrote an article on something he called the .25 Junior, either a Hornet or a shortened Hornet, in an issue of The American Rifleman. In addition, Cartridge Conversions references the Handloader, Issue 111, September 1984 article by Sengel. I ordered the issue and am interested to read if the article has more history about the wildcat caliber Bottom line, the 25 Hornet is a wildcat caliber from the 22 Hornet and possibly originated around the turn of the century


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #9 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:01am	Print Post
	John Boy, If you can find a reference dated before 1917, it would make it legal in Quarter Bores matches. The 22 Hornet only dates to 1932 so, it would have to be a 22 WCF necked up to 25 cal. to be pre-WW1 or around the turn of the century. Frank
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #10 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:32am	Print Post
	7.8grs. 4227, 120gr. Plainbase breach seated bullet is the load Dave Purcell has won a lot of quarter bore matches with. As always proceed with caution!

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #11 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:43am	Print Post
	Frank, I retract that the 25 Hornet possibly originated around the turn of the century after reading Wikipedia. If one starts with the parent caliber, the 22 Hornet originated in the 1920's. So 1917 or before is a moot point for the 25 Hornet. Quote: 22 Hornet Production history Designer Townsend Whelen / G. L. Wotkyns Designed 1920's Manufacturer Winchester Produced 1930 - Present (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Now I am wondering how my '94 Favorite has the chamber for the 25 Hornet wildcat when the 22 Hornet was designed in the 1920's and then produced in 1930? Since it is stamped 25 Stevens cf on top & bottom of the barrel, could the chamber have been modified from the 25 Stevens rimfire? But the block is a '94 with a center fire pin that may have been put on from a rifle that was chambered for the 25-20 or 25-21! Edit: Regardless, the rifle is mint and will be shot v a safe queen.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #12 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:51am	Print Post
	5 of the 24 competitors who filled out a equipment list at the 2006 ISSA National event were using this cartridge.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #13 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 12:58am	Print Post
	The Hornet is nothing more than the 22WCF and the European 5.6x35R Veirling. Not sure on the actual dates, did not have the time to go search them.

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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Loading Data for the 25 Hornet Reply #14 - Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:42am	Print Post
	Quote: Now I am wondering how my '94 Favorite has the chamber for the 25 Hornet wildcat when the 22 Hornet was designed in the 1920's and then produced in 1930? Since it is stamped 25 Stevens cf on top & bottom of the barrel, could the chamber have been modified from the 25 Stevens rimfire? But the block is a '94 with a center fire pin that may have been put on from a rifle that was chambered for the 25-20 or 25-21! John Boy, Is your barrel twist appropriate for the 25-20 SS or 25-21, or for the 25 Stevens Rimfire?

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