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Jul 13th, 2013 at 3:41pm
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Being retired and having some time, am thinking about purchasing one of the fancy automated case annealing machines and offer annealing as a service for $0.10/case plus shipping. What do you think? Is there enough demand that one could get paid back for the machine? Would take something on the high side of 10,000 cases to pay off the machine, which would be the main thing I would be after.
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 13th, 2013 at 4:24pm
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You KNOW there is a demand for it when you see folks build their own!

  

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 8:08am
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Buy one and lots of your friends will want to borrow it. When it comes back the propain tank will be empty and they will complain that it dosen't work as well as they thought it should. Pay for it don't make me laugh. 

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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:09am
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LOL....... Lord Polonius certainly got it right when he stated...... 'neither a borrower nor lender be......' They can borrow my time on the machine for $0.10/case or purchase their own. Wink
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:34am
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Before you invest in the machine,

I just did 360 38/55 cases.  Propane Torch in the shop lights out. Each one dropped base first in a deep 1/4 inch socket rotated with a power screwdriver. Right color all round tipped the case out into a bucket of water at my feet. Time to heat and anneal real fast, most of the labor is picking up the empty case inserting into the socket then dropping it out. Two hand motions per case 2nd one just a tip out. 

Meachum sells a similar arrangement to my deep throat 1/4 inch drive socket. His is purpose built for individual cartridges and could be a better choice for some calibers. Total investment if using Torch Socket and Power screwdriver you already have=zero

Machines have to be loaded and unloaded ones I have seen are too big to tip out the hot case. May be more labor than doing the job with a power screwdriver. Could be wrong never seen one in person but. Seems to me the machines are expensive solutions looking for a problem.

Would I have paid 36 dollars plus two way shipping to have it done ? doubt it.

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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 11:55am
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The market for the machines is more the AR "rattle 'em off" crowd who prep their case-batches by the thousand or two.. or three.
Something to be said for bagging up 3000 thrice-fired .223 cases in a Priority Mail box, and getting them back annealed, cleaned, decapped, and tumbled in stainless shot a week or two later for .10 a round.

If was cranking of that kind of volume, you bet yer arse I would either buy the machine, or send 'em out to be done!

  
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Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 12:02pm
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Paul - who is doing all that for $0.10/case? I'll have to send them mine Wink as I could not compete. Am only talking about the annealing end of things. 

boats - am using a 3/4" x 3/8" copper reducing union and piece of 6" long 3/8" dowel in my electric drill with a propane torch for my annealing at the moment. Only difference seems to be that I drop my annealed case into a cardboard box rather than a bucket of water.
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 1:45pm
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It could be that I misremember that price quote... or it was from long enough ago that .10 each was a more princely sum Wink

Get two annealers, a bunch of buckets, 20 lbs of stainless shot, and two Harbor Freight cement mixers to use as tumblers...
Then charge .20 each.  I'll bet you'd have a steady stream of customers.
Of course, that's starting to sound like work!
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 2:41pm
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Hey, watch your language!  Let's not have any unpleasant four letter words ending in 'k' here.   Grin Grin Grin
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 3:16pm
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Hate to admit it but that lot of 360 38/55 Cases ? 2nd Anneal job they have had. Last one was 20 years ago. Had a case neck split running the M Die in. Thought it might be time.  Started as a 500 lot of W-W sized the others down to 32/40 still on the first Anneal with those. 

Lot depends on how much working the brass gets. Difference in Fired to re-loaded in that 38/55 is only .002

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Reply #10 - Jul 14th, 2013 at 4:20pm
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And if you breech-seat you whole collection of brass may be 2 or 3 rounds.   Shocked
  

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That would be my case as well CW so I wouldn't have a need for the service.
  

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True my 140 out of that lot reserved for 32/40 120 have only been fired with a few sub sonic gallery loads. 20 reserved for B/S. Most of the time use 3 or 4 in a Hudson match, switching off when the primer pockets get real dirty. 

Amazing how long we can shoot these rifles on the same brass.

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Reply #13 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 7:59am
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Indeed. Shooting BPCR I've yet to split a case. Had one case-head separate in 10K+ rounds. I pretty much look at the outside of the case mouth to decide when to anneal. If it is hard enough that the case gets dirty then it is time to anneal. The only deviation to that is with new brass, which I always anneal from the start.
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 8:03am
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SSS agree on the Starline although I am going through my new lot of 250 40/65's fire forming all then will anneal and final trim to length.

Only real case separation problem I have ever had in SS cases was with 45/70's that had canalures rolled in. Few separated at the grove causing all sorts of Trapdoor problems.   

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