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Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Jul 2nd, 2013 at 3:50am
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I've done a google search and found little on reloading the 38-40 RH. Is the cartridge that rare? What bullet weight would you recomend? Factory hepburn has I believe a 16 inch twist. I've got a lyman 375 248 on the way. Just punching paper here. Any advice from someone experienced with this cartridge?
  
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #1 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 12:13am
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I have an original Remington seater and other loading stuff marked 38 2 1/4 with a few old bullets cast long ago and dirty, no mold.  The grooved bullet mikes .378 and weighs 258 gr., a hollow based paper patch bullet is .370 and 254 gr.  The dipper is marked 50 on the handle, 5 cases, some headstamped 38-50 Rem.  The set is like the one in Chamberlain/Quigley's Reloading Tools of the Past page 42.  Looks like a Win/Marlin/Ballard mold would work if it casts .378 or so, would slug the barrel of course.  Hope this helps.    Jim Hays
  
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #2 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 12:32am
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Oops, you said 38-40 Rem.  Donnelly's book recomended 15.0 gr 2400 with 250 gr lead bullet with modified 303 Brit cases but 30-40 cases might work also.  Would slug it also and begin light.  Ideal 375248 probably would work, good bet.
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #3 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 11:40am
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The 38 2 1\4 is the 38-50 I believe. My bore slugs .379 - .380 or so. Don't think the chamber neck will be big enough to seat a bullet. So I'm either breech seating or shooting soft bullets and hoping for a bump up. Hate to modify an original chamber. But I am tempted to rechamber this or increase the neck diameter. 

Other idea is to paper patch like the original. Have wanted to try this. Will  have to find or make a different mold.
  
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #4 - Jul 3rd, 2013 at 2:25pm
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I had that issue (chamber neck) with my 40/63. I just turned the necks to fit the chamber and bullet. But, BSing is more accurate.

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Reply #5 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 1:22pm
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Jimmy,
I am currently working up an original RH in 40 2 1/2 and finding some of the same issues that you have.  Check my posting on Trying Paper Patch.  Last night I rolled my first paper patches and everything went well.  Bore fit is sweet.  I am expecting that I will be staying with PP.  It is probably what the rifle was built for and hopefully will shoot best.  If you get frustrated with your current barrel, my suggestion would be to get a replacement barrel and keep the original one.  A new barrel will have harder steel, be stronger, and should allow you to be safer using smokeless.  And you can still have a totally original RH.
  
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #6 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 9:44pm
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Any other 38-40 Remington Hepburn shooters out there? Am thinking of having one of my Hepburns barreled in 38-40. Am thinking I'll go with the modern 0.367"/0.375" bore/rifling dimensions in a 26" long 13.5" twist barrel. Think that would work pretty well with a the 325gr bullet I have available. Thinking that 16-18gr of 5744 would be a good place to start. Am thinking the 38-40 R-H would make a better 200yd rifle then the 40-60WCF.
  

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2014 at 10:49pm
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If you go with a custom reamer have the neck made big enough for groove diameter bullets. The original chamber was not.

I still have not shot this hepburn. Maybe I'll try this weekend.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 11:42am
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Spoke with a gunsmith who specializes in Hepburn rifles (has the correct roll-mark to do both the receiver and the barrel - a previous owner over-polished my receiver and the stamp is about 50% removed.) and he can chamber in either 38-40 Rem or 38-50 Rem. Am thinking I'll go ahead with the longer 38-50 as it is easy enough to "load down" (lighter load) for 200yd shooting with the 38-50 while it is almost impossible to "load up" with a 38-40 if one needs more 'umph' behind the bullet. 

Let us know your results and what loads are working for you. Hepburns rule!! Wink
  

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #9 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 5:11pm
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I have a 1:18 twist Atkinson and Marquette barrel on my .38-50 Remington Hepburn.
I blow out .30-40 Krag cases to make .38-50 cases. 
I load 50 grains Swiss FFFg with a .060 vegetable wad with newspaper over the flash hole and Magnum primers to shoot a 310 grain Boomer Money bullet. 
COAL is 3.020"

With a 16:1 twist you can go to a bit longer bullet.

She is deadly on chickens at 220 yards.
  
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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #10 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 7:01pm
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The 3 gunsmiths I've spoken to agree with you about the rarity of the 38-40 Remington. Turns out the one who said he could chamber it would be short chambering with his 38-50 reamer.
  

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #11 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 8:24pm
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I just finish putting a new barrel on my original Hepburn. Chambered it for .38-40 Remington just to be difficult. I'll be shooting black powder and fixed ammo for now. I took it out and fire-formed some brass and it seems to want to shoot. I'll post my result as I go along.

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #12 - Oct 15th, 2014 at 10:15pm
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Hi Steve - how did you chamber it? Do you have the 38-40 reamer or did you short chamber with a 38-50?
What length & twist barrel did you go with? Looking  forward to your load info & shooting report.
  

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #13 - Oct 16th, 2014 at 5:45am
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I have a .38-40 Remington reamer. The neck measures .402". I still had to ream the necks of the Winchester brass I used to fit .375" bullets. 

I'll be casting more bullets this weekend and I should have a report later next week.

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Re: Reloading 38-40 Remington Hepburn
Reply #14 - Oct 21st, 2014 at 7:10pm
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Dang, drat, rats, etc., etc. Wink I was all ready to go with Baldwin's 35-40 Maynard based on the 38-55 case, but I really like the 38-40 Rem idea better since it is a Hepburn. Especially now that I know you have the reamer. 

What twist and barrel length did you go with?
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