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henpeckedmuch
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How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
May 7th, 2013 at 10:33pm
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I finally found 50 new Hornady 405 cartridges and now I need advise. I've never shortened cartridges before. 
I can measure using a caliper, but what process is used to cut squarely, accurately and repeat the process on all the shells? I don't have a lath. I do have a brass shell trimmer.
Should I make a jig, cut with a hacksaw then trim square? Is there an easier way?
  
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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #1 - May 7th, 2013 at 11:57pm
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I have several 40-60 Maynard chambered rifles and have made hundreds of cases from 30-40 Krag brass. I am not sure that once you have the 405 cases shortened your neck thickness will not be a problem. Trimming with a hack saw and then and then squaring in your case trimmer may be a little difficult without a trim die but is probably your best choice.

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Reply #2 - May 8th, 2013 at 1:16am
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If you have a reloading press then the purchase of a 'File and Trim die'. This is simply screwed into your press head the brass run through, whilst still in the die use a fine tooth hacksaw to saw off the excess, a flat file will square up any minor sawing errors. These dies are as hard as a taxman's heart, you won't scratch them with even a Starrett hacksaw blade, and you will eventually wear out your file, but you won't mark the die. A quick twist with a neck de-burring tool and the jobs done.  Cool

You will have to find a manufacturer that supplies a die in 40-60 Maynard calibre, but you could try RCBS or one of the other specialist die makers for starters. You can't be the only one using that calibre. The die can always be used as a case length trimmer in future years.

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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #3 - May 8th, 2013 at 6:11am
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File trim dies work good, you can buy them from CH4D.  Probably not any need to get a 40 Maynard specific, Long as the neck is the right size you can adjust the length by how far the die screws into your press. Email Dave at CH or send him one case that is correct. He can match up.

I am forming .25 Krag with  3 CH4D file trim dies.  7mm 08 260 Remington 25/08  Caliber makes no difference each sizes the neck down just a bit ending up at proper .25 Krag size. Length only caliber marked on the die is not important long as it's proper neck size.  Bottleneck case dies will be larger than your Maynard case at the base anyway

Finished product probably needs to have the neck turned to chamber.  I use Sinclair's outside hand turner.  You can ream inside but takes more equipment. 

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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #4 - May 8th, 2013 at 8:35am
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Measure the shell and scribe a line for the correct length. I then use a piece of brass that I turned to the proper diameter but you don't have a lathe so whittle a dowel to fit snugly in the case. Then use a tubing cutter to whack off the majority. Now use your case trimmer for the rest.

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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2013 at 8:59am
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Big job lot of cutting, down few cases to trim, I chuck up in the lathe indexing the case mouth on a pilot taken from a Redding Case Trimmer.  Set up is laborious if trimming 100 or so

File and trim is quick but you have to buy the file trim dies.

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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #6 - May 8th, 2013 at 9:08am
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John,
I also use a tube cutter to good results when cutting an essentially straight case. The final work with the shell trimmer can also be hurried along by removing the handle and hooking up a power drill. I guess the big question I have is why cut down .405 cases? Why not trade them (or sell them) and use the money to buy .30-40 Krag ( I have heard that .303 work too but have not tried them.) cases and reform them with a neck expander and/or fire form and be done with it?
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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #7 - May 8th, 2013 at 9:38am
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He has the .405 because he has an original chamber and needs thicker brass. 

I use a lathe with the open end supported on a mandrel to prevent deforming the brass. I always cut long and do a final trim with a Forster case trimmer.

Without a lathe, the tubing cutter idea sounds like the best idea. You will need a mandrel inside the case to cut against. Cut them long and trim to size.
  
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2013 at 11:31am
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Thanks guys, I'm so inexperienced I would never have thought of using a tube cutter, and that idea of hooking up a drill to the case trimmer is great. DeadEye is correct in that I have an original chamber that needs a thicker rim thickness. I had already tried 30-40 brass. 
I have contacted Steve Brooks Moulds for advice on a mould and thought to order one from him. 
  
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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #9 - May 8th, 2013 at 3:34pm
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Tube cutter did  not work for me, but never tried 40 Rods trick of bucking up the inside, Also some tube cutters work good others made to sell and won't work at all. I am going to try some scrap brass  now see if I can cut with the cutter

It all depends on what you have and how many you need to do.

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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2013 at 3:44pm
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I mark it then shove it into the belt sander then use case trimmer. You might contact Lee with your problem I kind of like their case trimmers. I have a forester also.
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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #11 - May 8th, 2013 at 4:20pm
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Thick abrasive cut-off wheel on the Dremel to cut the cases slightly long, then into the case trimmer to finish.

  

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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #12 - May 8th, 2013 at 8:59pm
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Here is a home-made (sort of) case trim 'die' that my step-dad had a local welder make.

Made for the ever-popular Scheutzen caliber of 7mm Rem Mag.  other calibers would be as easy to fabricate.

It is made from a washer, a piece of tubing (likely lathe turned) welded or silver soldered together and case hardened.

  

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Re: How do I shorten 405 to make 40-60 Maynard?
Reply #13 - May 9th, 2013 at 8:44am
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Thanks guys, I'm so inexperienced I would never have thought of using a tube cutter, 


If you are in need of a tubing cutter, visit your plumbing supply dealer and ask to see their Rigid line, which is American made.  Avoid the temptation to shop at Harbour Freight for this item, because you want to cutting wheel to run true for the best results.

Buy the smallest size that will accept your brass case diameter, you don't need anything larger.  Also, buy a package of replacement cutting wheels (which are changeable), since the brass is a little harder on the cutting edge, whereas the tool is designed for copper which is softer than the brass you will be cutting.  Also, once the cut is made, the cutting wheel edge will be onto the underlying mandrel.  My experience.

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Reply #14 - May 9th, 2013 at 8:55am
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  Oh' by the way, Rocky Mountain Cartridge does list a Maynard .40-60 turned case for the 1873, but not your thin head '82.  If you made a request for a Maynard .40-60 turned case for the 1882, it would be my guess that they would fabricate them for you.

  I also think the Mr. John Bly may have produced such cases sometime is the past and may be another available source for your consideration.  John is well experienced is all aspects of Maynard firearms, as I'm sure you are aware from reading his Forum traffic on the subject.

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