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Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 2:59am
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TSP = tri-sodium phosphate.  Get it at the local paint store.

My late friend loved to restore old guns, the more beat-up the better. & his restorations are pretty nice.  Soaking the stock in a TSP solution was his standard step #1 in restoring an old stock.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 10:17am
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TSP is Tri-soduim fosphate, a really good old time cleaner.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 1:38pm
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A paint store is the correct place.  It used to be available at supermarkets but that was closed off.  What's called TSP these days isn't.  Only paint stores have the real stuff.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2013 at 5:29pm
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Walter,  I too have used the Wife's dishwasher and I'm not sure of the brand of soap I used but it all came out clean. She hates me using the electric oven on the clean cycle for annealing. I once stuck some parts in the oven that I evidently did not get all of the grease off of, geese the smell. Would not let me Cook anything for awhile.
Your right about the TSP, at one time TSP was the main ingredient for any good quality soap but it is not environmentally friendly so off the market it goes. At least at grocery stores. But as you said Hardware stores still carry the stuff thank god.
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Reply #19 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 7:11pm
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After a thorough look at all the old German proofs, this rifle is an old one. No powder charge was recorded on the barrel and the number that some though were a date, no date. I just looked at Halps photo site at his posted Kessler, almost the same number as mine, just off a bit and he is sure his is early 1890's manufacture, and his breech block is marked the same too and mine is probably too. Those stamped numbers are the serial numbers. I think it has been mentioned before that these gun actions were made at a factory and then sold to the builders. So my old Kessler and his may have been made at the same factory. Just assembled or sold by a different retailer. I will be waiting for me when I get home Friday.
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Reply #20 - Mar 26th, 2013 at 9:06pm
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mwhite49 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 4:23pm:
I need some help with this one, I know just how the bottom of the action detaches from the stock and ation, but how is the butt stock attached to the action? Is it a simple job to remove? The reason I'm asking is that it will be shipped to me and probably survive better if the butt stock is removed. I would hate to see it broekn.
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I didn't notice an answer to this - ITYF that if you remove the buttplate there will be a large screw-head recessed into the stock.

This screws into the back of the receiver.

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Reply #21 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:49pm
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Tsp is??


I'll guess trisodium phosphate.
  

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Reply #22 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 6:07pm
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:49pm:
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Tsp is??


I'll guess trisodium phosphate.


I keep meaning to ask you - do you shoot the Werndl? If you do, which model is it, and if a M77, what do you do for brass?

I was thinking of thinning the rim from thefront and fire-forming .348 Win. Turns out a bit short, but only a bit.

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Reply #23 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 7:15pm
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For Werndl brass, the .348 works (but as you say, it's a little short)... 
If you have access to Starline .50-110 brass, it too makes good Werndl brass, but the neck is a little thick, and needs turning.   
.50-110 makes excellent basic brass for a whole host of cartridges that the .348 is often used to form... and has the advantage of starting out as a cylinder.

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Reply #24 - Apr 2nd, 2013 at 9:45pm
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Boil the stock in a water and washing soda solution for ten minutes or so, rinse with hot running water. You may have to do it twice. This method does work. I've cleaned/degreased many a nasty stock without any unpleasant side effects.
  
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Reply #25 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 10:19am
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I wonder just how the boiling would effect any carvings on the stock? Any ideas here?
I think maybe just letting it soak in the solution may be a bit safer.
  
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Reply #26 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 1:12am
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I certainly would be really leery of boiling.  Let the tsp do its work.  It's good stuff.
  
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Reply #27 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 10:55am
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The stocks on these rifles were boiled in a washing soda solution.

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Reply #28 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 1:37pm
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Craigster, nice Mausers and nice wood. What is the last bolt action though? Not a Savage I would think.
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Reply #29 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 6:25pm
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Thanks for the kind words, Mike. And yes, it is a Savage Model 45 (Super Sporter). I came across it as a barreled action and a few parts at a gun show a while back. I had planned on putting it back to it's original configuration, but the missing (and not easily) obtainable parts made that a bit problematic. Then I remembered a 95 Mauser stock and bottom metal that I had sitting around gathering dust and thought, hmm. The stock was pretty easy to fit to the action, but of course the Mauser bottom metal would not mate up to the Savage action, but the guard screw spacing was the same. So, I sliced an inch or so off the top of the magazine so it would drop in the stock but clear the bottom of the Savage action. I made a spacer/filler that filled the void between the floorplate and the bottom of the action. It functions like a bench rest follower of sorts, so the rifle now is single shot only. I added a nice old Weaver KV scope in a slightly modified Buehler base/ring set that originally was on a 721 Remingtion. Chambering is 30-06, and it shoots very well with the old 311413 Lyman cast bullet and 2400 powder. I call it my Frankenrifle.

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