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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Stevens Tip up in 38CF Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	I just picked this up. some one had blued it in the 1970's, it had been in one family for years. Comes with a new un fit butt stock, correct rear sight. Bore is decent and they had been shooting it with the 357 cases with 38sp wad cutters loaded with black.


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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:14pm	Print Post
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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 1:15pm	Print Post
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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:23pm	Print Post
	Love those tip-ups. What's with the purple color of the receiver? Is it just a lighting thing?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2013 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	Kermit, "some one had blued it in the 1970's" That is what happens when you hot blue over CC. Frank

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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #5 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 9:10am	Print Post
	I think this is an early one and worth keeping and restoring. It has a 34 inch long barrel. I did not know they made them that long. The blueing on top of the color case makes it looks terrible. But that can be fixed with a new color case job. Mike


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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #6 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 10:20am	Print Post
	Keep us posted, Mike.

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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #7 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Nice tip up Mike....


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16291 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #8 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	They made those old Tip Ups in some pretty big calibers, so I doubt .357 loaded with black would hurt it. I agree that it's worth some loving care!

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #9 - Feb 27^th, 2013 at 8:37pm	Print Post
	I wondered what would work on those .38 centerfires. I am curious as to what dimensions a chamber cast would come up with.


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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #10 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 11:43am	Print Post
	And I'm curious about the bore as all the 38's I've seen are .37X none as small as .357. Thats(.020) a pretty big bump. Don


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32 ballard xl Full Member Offline Stand on your hind legs, and shoot like a man. Posts: 129 Location: Akwesasne, New York Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #11 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Rustyrelx...The case is the same, the bullet is not. A 38 Ballard extra long is identical to the .357 Reming ton Max. Except the minor difference that the Ballard used heel seated lead bullets of .377-.380. The max is for .357 dia bullets, inside lubricated. Same case, different bullet. Same with 38 long. Shorten 38 spcl case very slightly and load with a heeled bullet.

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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #12 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:43pm	Print Post
	Or breach seat? Since I haven't done that (yet), I'm not sure about how/when that works. Is that an option for some of the old heeled bullet cartridges?

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #13 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Kermit1945 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 4:43pm: Or breach seat? Since I haven't done that (yet), I'm not sure about how/when that works. Is that an option for some of the old heeled bullet cartridges? Yes,That's what I do with the heeled 22rf. Works just like CF BSing. Frank

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16291 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #14 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	Or for fun get .38 cal. muzzleloader balls and set them on top a charge of 3.5 grains of Unique, using Lee liquid alox to "attach" them to the case mouth. Makes a fun plinker load for .38 or .32 Longs. I make up a box of fixed ammo this way and let the alox dry overnight. I also used it at the range with a re-decapper tool and just a single case. Fun to play with in my old Ballards.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #15 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 8:09pm	Print Post
	Interesting thread. Sometimes see these for sale and was not sure if ammo would be easy to come up with. Sounds like they are shooters. Will keep my eyes open for one. Have one in .22 LR that I had relined and have one in .25 Stevens with an excelent bore. Don't shoot that one much.


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32 ballard xl Full Member Offline Stand on your hind legs, and shoot like a man. Posts: 129 Location: Akwesasne, New York Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #16 - Feb 28^th, 2013 at 9:52pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on Feb 28^th, 2013 at 6:52pm: Or for fun get .38 cal. muzzleloader balls and set them on top a charge of 3.5 grains of Unique, using Lee liquid alox to "attach" them to the case mouth. Makes a fun plinker load for .38 or .32 Longs. I make up a box of fixed ammo this way and let the alox dry overnight. I also used it at the range with a re-decapper tool and just a single case. Fun to play with in my old Ballards. Thank you for reminding me about that. Back in the day, re-loading manuals had reccomendations for round ball gallery loads for the 75 foot serious shooting galleries (as opposed to carnival style "shooting galleries"), as well as "collar button" gallerie loads. But I really like the round ball idea. Allows you to work on your off-hand technique all winter, once you have a repeatable load worked out. Perfect way to utilize my old dairy barn ( )

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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	32xl Yes I was aware of the case. I just asked about bore. One solution I have used is to obtain a mold for a .36 cal replica pistol. They come out at .375 and are much lighter in weight plus have a grease groove. In my Remington I can even use pre loaded cartridges. Don rustyrelx


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32 ballard xl Full Member Offline Stand on your hind legs, and shoot like a man. Posts: 129 Location: Akwesasne, New York Joined: Feb 20^th, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Great minds must think alike...I cast a bunch of round balls and conicals for my faux 1851 Navy. Perfect for play-time with 38 Long center fire and 38 Ballard extra longs. I have not done as well with .31 muzzloader balls and conicals in my 32 Long. I think the balls may be too light.

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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 2:34pm	Print Post
	mwhite49 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2013 at 9:10am: I think this is an early one and worth keeping and restoring. It has a 34 inch long barrel. I did not know they made them that long. The blueing on top of the color case makes it looks terrible. But that can be fixed with a new color case job. Mike If your going to CC Harden it again, don't forget to anneal it first. Harry


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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	I believe all tip up rifle frames were factory nickel plated, tip up pistols were blued or nickeled. ...MIKE...


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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: Stevens Tip up in 38CF Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2013 at 10:35pm	Print Post
	That's what I thought. Might look really good CCed though.

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