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Dec 30th, 2012 at 1:06pm
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I've been lurking for awhile trying to learn a few things and decided I need some help. Attached is a .22lr Stevens rifle handed down without any history. I am thinking I have a Walnut Hill, but not sure exactly what model number. 

From what I can tell, the iron sight was removed (or maybe never installed?) and a scope from the same period was mounted. I read that many of the Stevens rifles were custom made, so I am doubting I can locate this specific rifle in a catalog. 

I'm not sure about the fore stock; it looks original, but I have not seen a Stevens with the addition of a metal tang on the barrell to mount an extended stock that large. It looks like the rear stock may have been cut and the original swiss plate removed?

The engraving looks unique also with a deer that's quite chubby and a background that looks almost like bead blasted.

I haven't figured out the barrel numbers signify.

Please open your minds and let me in. I'm new to the single shot rifle, but am quite intrigued thus far. I welcome any thoughts you have on my rifle.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 1:32pm
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there may be some good info on your rifle. it looks like it is a C.C. Johnson reline.

ask about your rifle here.

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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 2:07pm
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Thanks! I've sent an e-mail and am anxiously awaiting a response. It is amazing that C.C. Johnson's grandson would share his history to help others. That really makes my research all the more interesting! In the mean time, I'm still open for any other discussion on this rifle.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 4:53pm
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I'm thinking your rifle was modified for indoor 3 or 4 position smallbore matches at 50'.These were extremely popular from the 1920's on and almost every decent sized town had a team that competed against neighboring towns. This game was so popular that scores and match results were often printed in the local newspaper. I currently shoot in a 4 position league on Thursdays and a 3 position league on Friday nights- they get me through the cold upstate N.Y. winters.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 6:57pm
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With help from Jerry Johnson, a service record from 1937 was located where CC Johnson had relined the barrel and installed scope blocks for $23.68...Wow! What an amazing guy Jerry is to help out with records like that! Who would ever think that something like that would be found from that long ago.

I'm still studying the rifle if anyone has any other input.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:22pm
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is the trigger a plain trigger or single set? the frame is cut and drilled for the dst plate.

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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 8:44pm
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Sorry, but I think you've gone over my head. Not sure how to tell about the trigger, it's very light and I don't know of any kind of preset or adjustment it has. What is a a dst plate? 

It seems hard to identify the specific model. Jerry called it a 44. I have yet to find a Stevens with a 5 screw pattern like mine. 

Barrel mark question...what does the 1 signify on the barrel? From what I've been reading, I'm guessing there are different weights maybe?
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:09pm
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Trying to answer my own question, I am guessing dst is a double set trigger or two triggers? Mine does not have that, but that calls for a closer examintation. I found a model 50 on an auction website and it surprisingly appears to have the exact same screw pattern and engraving that mine has. That rifle has the double trigger...hmmm.

It's about 5 up from the bottom @...
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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 9:11pm
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While Stevens would build about anything most rifles were ordered from catalogs that listed all possible options. Custom yes, from the option list generally. 

Reproduction catalogs are available and well illustrated.  Worth buying to go along with that nice rifle. Somebody chime in with a good place to obtain the catalogs. Mine bought so long ago I can't recall were. Looking at my 1911 catalog # 53 and catalog # 52  rifle model numbers jump from 49 to 51 both on the 44 1/2 action  Yours is on the 44 action.

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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 10:30pm
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the single set trigger is a single trigger that "sets" (makes it a hair trigger) when you push it forward and will have a adjustment screw through the trigger (to the rear), itself. i can't see that feature on your trigger so, unless it will push forward and try to catch, i believe you have a plain trigger. probably not the way it came.

your lever will work with a dst so, it's something you might want to consider, down the line. they can be bought at cpa, the stevens rifle maker.

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Reply #10 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:54pm
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Boats, 

Here's a link to Cornell publishing. Is this who you were thinking of?

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The single set trigger in the Stevens has a set sear spring that is mounted in the tang forward of the trigger, which is retained by a screw that threads from the inside outward. Looks like there might be the tip of the screw showing in the picture.

  

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Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2012 at 11:54pm
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44 action as stated. Engraving looks like period Stevens. #1 barrel indicates heavy barrel. #2 was standard if memory serves me right. Hard to tell what model it was originaly since the stock and forearm have been changed. Neat rifle. Great that you were able to confirm who did the work. Have you shot it? Would think it is extremely accurate. Great find!
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:08am
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Grant in his book, says that #50 was the same as #49 with upgraded wood etc.  This on the 44 action.  It's possible you might find the model number stamped on the face of the action.  Forearm must be removed to see. I'd agree that it was ordered with the double set triggers.  Nice find!

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Reply #13 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 2:41am
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The Stevens Model 47 with a 44 action had a loop lever like that.  The front of the action should tell you the Model #.

If the rifle was re-done for 3 or 4 position gallery shooting in 1937, the original DST might have been swapped for a single trigger at the same time.  IIRC, in the 1950s, many local leagues did not allow DSTs.  Also, the DST might not be very handy when strapped into leather or canvas coat, sling, etc.
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:16am
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More than likely a 49 Walnut Hill on a 44 action. The 49 came standard with a single (plain) trigger & the engraving is actually acid etched. It would be a nice gun to restore, (restock in factory style) finish on the barrel & action look good. I didn't notice the screw pattern, but since it's an original 22RF didn't they have an extra screw for an ejector?  NICE find!!    ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:29am
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Looked at action, screws look correct. Don't think they used the ejector til 44 1/2. I believe all 49s had removeable lower tangs.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 7:25am
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If it was mine would be on the way to CPA for a correct stock & DST's   Rest leave as is. Nice rifle as is wonderful rifle restored

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Reply #17 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 8:39am
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I see no extra screws, the two bottom screws are for the removable tang. Its probably an early action, before 1903, because of the frame screws instead of pins. An engraved action after 1903 would probably have  been a 44 1/2 action.   ledball
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 1:15pm
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Thanks for all the responses. I followed your lead and found the number 49 stamped on the face of the action (see pic)...so I guess I have a model 49 Walnut Hill with a 44 action? Any idea on what year that would be?

I found what looks to be the set screw on the trigger and it doesn't look like there is room for another trigger (see pic) so if I'm getting the terminology right that is a single set trigger?

Otherwise, the scope is a R.A. Litschert model C with adjustment for 50 ft, 50 yds, 100yds, 200yds or over. There are no cross hairs; is that normal? That may make aiming a little difficult.

I have not shot it yet, but I'm looking forward to it after giving the barrel a good looking at. Off topic, but any advice on shooting it or just put in a standard .22lr and go?

I think it would look great with the correct stock, nice butt plate and all...I'll have to look into that. I first thought there was a permanent mount to attach the front stock, but I've found that is just a loose ring that was soldered in a loop, not to the barrel itself.

Still learning, but you guys have got me off to a good start. Thanks again fellas!
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Reply #19 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:00pm
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Yes, that is a Model 49.

No cross-hairs in the scope?  Is there a dot?  

I think the method for attaching the fore-arm probably tells us that the rifle was used for position matches.  I would guess that the shooter was trying to minimize the stress on the barrel when the sling was pulled up tight.  

The lower tang does not appear to be a part of the original action.

If you push forward on the trigger, does it feel as if something is trying to catch or click?

Is the extractor at 6:00 or closer to 7:00?  That is another dating characteristic, at least for center-fire actions.  They moved the action to 6:00 about 1900.

If it were my rifle, it would get another scope and I would be on the way to the range.  Worry about the Litschert later.  It probably deserves something better than Walmart ammo.
  
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Reply #20 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:08pm
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Paul Shuttleworth at CPA Rifles is the go to guy for Stevens parts repairs restorations stocks etc. Not only manufactures a reproduction is one of the real experts on Stevens as they were built by the Factory. 

From looking at the photos that rifle would only need new wood & you could keep the old wood in case it ever needed putting back like it is. 

Johnson probably floated the barrel or attached in a different way from Factory. At most it would need the fore stock attachment holes added.  The Johnson barrel nice as it is, is not original so adding holes hidden by the stock should not hurt the value. 

My 1911 Catalog list the # 49, on a 44 1/2 frame. Might be interested to know the engraving was 5 dollars extra. I would call that a good investment considering what it will do to todays value. On the 44 frame I would go along with Leadballs pre 1903 opinion

Or you could just sell it to me.

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Reply #21 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 3:18pm
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The Litchert ought to have cross hairs but it's not unusual to loose them. Not a hard thing to replace.

Far as shooting barrel of that quality I would buy a box of the best ammo, Eley or RWS for a test. I had a Ballard converted to a position rifle with a Johnson barrel. Sold it to a friend of mine and it's the bench rest .22 to beat at Columbia Schuetzen

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Reply #22 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 4:34pm
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The extractor looks to be at 7:00.

There is a little play in the trigger, but I don't feel like it's trying to do anything when I push it forward.

I do see a little thread in the scope as if it was attached at some point. I'm gonna try to get that sorted out.

Boats, I'll keep you in mind if I ever part with it...I would say in today's market it is probably worth at least 3 high capacity mags Wink
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 31st, 2012 at 4:45pm
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Barrel mark question...what does the 1 signify on the barrel? From what I've been reading, I'm guessing there are different weights maybe?

yes, the #1 on your barrel would normally be the barrel weight and it's in stevens script but, in this case it doesn't seem to apply here.

your barrel seems to be at least a #3 possibly a #4 that would close to 1 1/8.

the frame (receiver) looks like it is thicker than the standard 44. a std 44 is 1 1/8 thick.

the reasons i say this,

a #3 barrel is 1 1/16 across the flats and it sits about .025 below the 3 top flats on the frame as well as the outside of the frame. yours seems to be flush with thoughs flats and seems to sit in more than .025 on the sides of the frame.

i belive that it very well may be a "thick side".

if you could measure the frame and barrel width it would be interesting know what those numbers are.

the 7 o'clock extractor means that it was a earier rifle. changed around 1900.

the screw isn't for a set trigger, it's to set the sear engagement on a plain triger.
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Reply #24 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 2:22am
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From your picture of the bottom of the frame and lower tang, I think you have a single-set trigger. The Stevens single-set operated as an over-center design.

If you look between the trigger and the lever cutout, you will see the tip of the sear spring screw at the very front of the lower tang, which threads from the inside outward. The head of the screw is inside against the spring.

  

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Reply #25 - Jan 1st, 2013 at 9:28pm
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I will go 4 high capacity magazines. Seriously, if it were mine I would try to restore it, but keep everything I took off it for historical reference. I still like period modified guns.
  
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