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J. Stevens .22 Schuetzen Rifle
Oct 21st, 2012 at 3:55pm
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The stock is not exactly what I would chose for myself, or want to be seen with.  But, for a dusk to dawn groundhog rifle, hey, who would notice it?

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Re: J. Stevens .22 Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 4:08pm
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Earl Hines is a very highly noted Gunsmith, the scope alone is worth around 750.00. A Shilen match barrel and chamber are up there with the best. Now that the rifle has become known I don't see it hanging around for very long. It would make for a better than average critter killer as well as a dandy target rifle.

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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm
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Well, I wasn't aware that laminated stocks were popular back in 1919 or that Earl was that old but, I do know that Earl was one of the all time, best OH shooters in the good o'le USA Smiley

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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 6:39pm
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Well, I wasn't aware that laminated stocks were popular back in 1919


There is nothing in the historical record that would indicate that such a configured or composed wood stock ever existed during the classical schuetzen period in America.

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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 7:38pm
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Laminated stocks are Earl's trademark per-say on the Miller bench rest and offhand rifles that I have seen stocked by him. One would assume he uses it for stability reasons as it definitely is not period correct. His stock designs do tend to follow those of the Schuetzen era on the one's that I have seen and shot against. I would not go as far to say laminated wood was never used back in the day as it seems I have read about its use at some point in time.

Any way one looks at those ground hogs and targets won't be any the wiser.

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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:51pm
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Check Dutcher's book for an 1895 laminated Ballard stock.
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Reply #6 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 12:11am
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Thanks Chuck for the reinforcement.  I do not  have Dutcher's book but I do know that I have read it somewhere. I just can't put my finger on it right now so I can share it with the group.

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Reply #7 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 8:53am
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  There are still remaining bastions in this country of astute practitioners of the classical target shooting sports of about 1878 to 1910-15.

  I am reminded of E.A. Leopold, Dr. Baker, A.O.Niedner, and Dr. Franklin Mann and their rifles stocks made from high quality hard woods with high cheekpieces, a "perch-belly" lower side and buttplates with peculiarly shaped long prongs.  These heavy Schuetzen rifles were also called "free rifles" because they were free of all restrictions as to weight, sights, tripper pull, and ammunition used.  However, there always existed a certain pride in pursuing quality of workmanship and materials that went into the rifle that was derived from their European heritage.

Conformity of quality was an admired and an expected feature of the Schuetzen rifle in those days.  It would appear that individualism is being practiced extensively is some segments of society, and it seems to have seeped into the most traditional aspects of public affairs, but certainly not all.

Any man who is a player of high level golf and who is a member of a private (non-public) gulf club/course will most likely understand the concept of valuing and preserving the ways and means of "tradition" among those who share a common interest or sport.

Others will not understand the concept.

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Reply #8 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 9:35am
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Others will not understand the concept.
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Could it be called snob appeal. In my past life I had access to such institutions And a lot of these people were very smart without a lick of common sense. Compare it to this one
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Reply #9 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 11:38am
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  In order to be of assistance to anyone who is desirous of a ply-wood stock for their winter project schuetzen rifle, you may want to select your color/s from the following web site:

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What could be more attractive than a gun stock in colors to match your tattoos ?

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Reply #10 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 12:57pm
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If one looks at the personnel rifles of Schoyen and Pope they were without embellishment. About as plain as a rifle could be. Pope did not even turn and clean up his barrel blank as he preferred to retain all of the weight possible in his words. There are other extremely competitive shooters of day that preferred straight grained wood without figure do to it's inherent stability. Their rifles were tools of the highest order purposely built with winning in mind. There is nothing more pleasing to look at than a finely finished Schuetzen rifle with all of the embellishments but that was generally something those of great wealth could afford and more of a show piece with a few exceptions. If you look at Mann's rifles in his book the Bullets Flight he tended to follow Schoyen and Pope. Also when one looks at those old free rifles of the day for long range competition they were about as ugly as ugly can get. I think it wrong to state that those you mentioned shot rifles with the highest grades of wood, with checkering and other embellishments when it is not actually true. In today's world if one can afford the fine work of the extremely artful with talents that others rival there is nothing wrong with it at all. They are works of art and pleasing to the eye and make their owners very proud and who would not like to have one in the front of their safe for all to see. Do they shoot any better than the plain rifles  typically used by some of the best shots in the day, the answer would have to no. Schoyen's personnel target rifle sold at Rock Island auction for under 4000.00 and all though it was quite plain it was the buy of a lifetime in my opinion and I know the owner is very proud to have been able to purchase it. The re-worked mechanics of those personnel rifles is what makes them really shine as they were as perfect as those perfectionists could possibly make them.

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Reply #11 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 1:07pm
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Popes philosophy was that a rifle was made to shoot, and when a remark was made about a particular rifle with fine engraving his response was "Hell, that won't make it shoot any better." Which was true enough, though most of us prefer an engraved action over a  plain one, and if we like em better that way, we will also quite probably shoot better with them. Pope saw no reason for dolling up a rifle, even a Pope and that  a rifle was made to shoot. Harry did did only the barrel and action work necessary, and no embellishing of any kind, that work was done outside of his shop.

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Re: J. Stevens .22 Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #12 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 1:44pm
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I have always wondered why some persons spend more time rubbing wood (gunstock) then practicing
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Re: J. Stevens .22 Schuetzen Rifle
Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 1:55pm
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Dick so true and it can go either way pretty vs. ugly does not make the shooter, practice and a mechanically sound rifle certainly does.

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Reply #14 - Oct 22nd, 2012 at 6:41pm
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Check Dutcher's book for an 1895 laminated Ballard stock.Chuck

 
Thanks Chucky, .  .  .  ., but "no thanks"  That, if it still exists, is an aberration that I don't want to know about.
  
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