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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #30 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 3:08pm
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Frank,

   Took a look at PJ web pages. He does not make 30 cal molds. He list from 32 cal and up. 

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #31 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 3:50pm
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Frank,

     Keep in mind that I'm new to this plain base case bullet BS game. The JB thing is old hat to me, and I can make a rifle shoot accurate with them. So please be a little more specific with what bullet to order. Know where I could get a few tapered bullets to test fire breech seating?
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Reply #32 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 4:11pm
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If you call and talk to him, I'm guessing that he will do a 30 cal. I know he won't do a 25, at least not for just anyone.

This is the specs of a bullet that will work in a 12 twist.

Min, 4 - 4.5 cal ojive. Bands tapering from .303 to .309 - .310 max. 1.200 - 1.22 long. That will also work in my 13 twist RKS barrel.

I can send you some of my 1.16 long, Ron Long bullets to try but, you'll need a BSer to use them.

I have shoots to go to the next two weekends and I have surgery on my shoulder on Nov 7 so, I'll try to get some cast before the 7th.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #33 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 6:28pm
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Frank,

      If you get time fine, but don't short yourself on your time.  You've got matches and the shoulder re-build coming up. 
      Will a plug type seater work with the high wall action and your bullet? 
       My problem is I have no one local to help me with my learning curve in the art form. You guys are just great and I do appreciate all the suggestion and help that I get from you and the rest of the members of the ASSRA form.
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Reply #34 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 8:12pm
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Sendaro I have no knowledge with the 30 calibers so won't have any input. A good approach is to call a custom mould maker and talk to him. This is there area of expertise and not only will they be a tremendous help they will make you exactly what you need. One that I would give a call would be Steve Brooks, he helped out in the past with a mould and it was a performer and I would definitely send Jim Borton a PM to get his phone number as he has some real nice 30 caliber cherries that might fit your need. He will also walk you through how to bump up a bullet to send him so he has access to the critical measurements.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #35 - Oct 7th, 2012 at 8:54pm
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J Louis,

   I talked with Jim Borton last week about a 25 cal mould so I'm sure that I have his phone number. I'll give him a call this week. That sounds like a good idea.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #36 - Oct 10th, 2012 at 3:49pm
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Test fired with increased powder charges today in the 30-30 Ackley Imp. short. Used the Hornady 168 grain bullet and Federal 210 primers. Went in 1 grain increments from 32.5 grains to 36.5 grains. Looks like the 33.5 grain load is where it is at with this rifle and bullet. Had a great day to test fire in dull light and a light rain falling. The 36.5 grain load of BL-C#2 was starting to show some pressure on the primers. So It looks like the 33.5 grain load will be tested over the chronograph and for accuracy at 200 yards. See the test target of the results.  Maybe Eric Farr knew what he was doing with the one piece stock idea. I'm impressed with the way this old rifle shoots. It's a real hoot!
      Scope used in the test is a Unertl 8X. All test firing done benchrest at 100 yards and using single set trigger. 

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #37 - Oct 10th, 2012 at 4:01pm
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Now thaT I got this rifle shooting with jacketed bullets it looks like it is time to start trying some cast bullets. Anyone got a favorite load that they would recommend for this rifle?

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Reply #38 - Oct 10th, 2012 at 6:18pm
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Sendaro your vertical dispersion is outstanding and not always but more often than naught a few tenths up or down will shrink that horizontal substantially and you end up with a nice little bug hole. The same holds true for cast bullets and I am anxious to see those results as the rifle sure does want to shoot. That ole Hi Wall sure makes one want to argue the two piece stock rule, not for any advantages a one piece stock might have  but to be able to shoot the ole girl in a match.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #39 - Oct 15th, 2012 at 11:26am
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Hi J,

   Have been away for a few days on a vacation trip to Vermont. 

  The day that I shot the group in the photo I was working in 1.0 grain increases. I will be going back to our shooting house to work more on the loads for this rifle. 
   I will keep you posted. I'm running late for a F-Class match and have to go. Will be back in touch with you.
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Reply #40 - Oct 15th, 2012 at 2:58pm
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The Ideal 311413 is not a plain base but GG'd and I had the pleasure to shoot it for the 1st time yesterday ...
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... after our 2 day Lever Action Silhouette Match at Ridgway.

Winchester M94, 30-30, Williams peep and a too fat diopter pin on the front sight
Ideal 311413 - Brinell 15.3 - 170.8gr
16.5gr IMR 4759

A box of 20: 
* got the 0.481" setting for the 300m pigs - downed 3 in a row
* got the 0.700" setting for the 500m rams - (an approximate 7 inch, 5 shot group on the 500m swinger) and then downed 2 rams in a row ... no more rounds

Per the 1949 Ideal Handbook:
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The Squibb gas-check bullet for the Springfield and other 30-06 rifles. Perhaps the most accurate gas-check bullet yet produced.  Excellent for target practice up to 600yds

I'm a believer ... 500 meters = 546 yards!  Smiley
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #41 - Oct 15th, 2012 at 5:02pm
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You can make these 31413 into a PB just by reaming the GC area .1 - .12 deep and it gives you another lube groove to boot.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #42 - Oct 19th, 2012 at 8:43am
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Guys,
         The impression I'm getting is that cast bullets weighing as much as 200 grains and more will shoot well in a 1 in 12" twist .308 caliber barrel. What velocity range would that be in?
      In my 308 Winchester I shoot jacketed 165 to 168 grain bullets and they stabilize well at 2600 to 2750 fps. I have no intention of trying to drive a cast bullet at that speed, but rather I'm looking to develop a load that will shoot a cast bullet accurately out to 200 yards and beyond. I intend to do this with the cartridge case of the 30-30 ackley imp. (.060" short) in a rifle with a Winchester high wall action. 
   I know that the action is strong enough for smokeless powder loads, and that the case mentioned has enough capacity for whatever the powder charge is that maybe needed. What my concerns are is getting the right bullet weight for the 1 in 12" twist rate of this rifles barrel. There are just so many bullet designs available. 
     Now to go with a round nose or spitzer bullet shape? I hear pros and cons on both. 
      
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #43 - Oct 20th, 2012 at 6:59pm
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Took this rifle to a ASSRA shoot today and asked if it would fit in the rules so I could use it in matches next year. I was told that it was within the rules and encouraged by several there to join in the fun. Looks like I'll be shooting some ASSRA matches next year. Now to get a mold and make ready! I guess that's half the fun.
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #44 - Nov 30th, 2012 at 8:58am
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Sendaro,
Neat rifle. Smiley  Accurate Molds makes the tapered 170 gr Pope bullet.  You can specify the band diameters if they are different from the drawing.

In looking at your case compared to the std 30-30, it looks like the body is tapered slightly (?) like a standard 30-30 whereas the imp version is pretty straight. If that is the case, then the chambering reamer was a standard 30-30 with the shoulder profile changed slightly.
 
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