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30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Jul 8th, 2012 at 8:24am
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Would like to hear your recommendations for what cast bullet that  (a plain base)  would be a good one to start with in a 30-30 Winchester with a 1 in 12" twist. This barrel is 24" long and .800 at the muzzle. It is on a Winchester High Wall action. I have bore scoped the barrel and with the excepting of some very minor rust it is in a condition that appears to be near that I have seen in new HART rifle barrels that have been hand lapped. I have not slugged the bore at this point but plan to. Have just taken a rough measurement to ascertain the caliber.
    See my recent post in single shot rifles to learn more about the rifle that I'm referring to here in. It was built by A.L.Hartung, and has a Farr one piece stock on it.
   Also would like your recommendations for a good powder and charge to start with. The rifle will not be a hunting rifle but rather a cast bullet rifle for the BR.
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 2:11pm
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My only 30/30 loading info is breech seated with a 184 gr tapered bullet. No group sizes recorded but "good Accuracy" noted.

F150 primers, 4227 powder and a 12 twist, 26" barrel.

13.5 - 1332 fps - 4.1 SD - 11 ES

14.0 - 1352 fps - 9.7 SD - 24 ES

14.5 - 1393 fps - 4.8 SD - 10 ES

All the loads above could be used fixed but will have more velocity by 25 - 50 fps and less accuracy.
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 4:28pm
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Frank,
          Who's bullet was that you uesd?

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 5:18pm
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Sendaro, I can recommend Jim Borton's 30 caliber mould as, IMO, the best available.   ledball
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2012 at 8:19pm
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It's a Ron Long Spitzer mold. They are very similar and predate the Paul Jones molds.

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Reply #5 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 8:14am
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I'm now the owner of the Hartung- Farr High Wall in 30-30 ACKLEY IMP that I have been seeking information about. It appears as though all is in very good condition. A look at the bore with a Hawkeye Bore Scope revealed a barrel that appears to have been hand lapped and shot very little. I have posted photos on this form of the rifle in the rifle photos area. Also there is a photo of a rifle that appears to be the twin to it in C. S. Landis's Book WOODCHUCKS and WOODCHUCK RIFLES on the picture page near page 162. It has a one piece stock that I'm sure was made by Eric Farr of NJ back in the late 1940s. At present I'm making purchase of a set of Redding dies to accommodate loading for this rifle and cartridge. The information that I'm finding about loads is rather scanty. I'd like to hear from members what they would recommend for both lead bullets and jacketed bullets loads. The twist rate is 1 in 12". I'm not looking to build a 30-30 AI Swift, but rather an accurate load to shoot both cast bullets and jacked bullets. My main concern is that it is in the safe limits of the high wall action.  I'd rather stay away from gas checked bullets and use plain base at lower velocities. Maybe even try some breech seating with them and light loads. The goal of the project is to bring this old rifle back to life and see just what it can do. 
   I wish to say thanks to Frank and Ledball for their in put so far in this project.
  
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 9:40am
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            Your Hartung-Farr rifle is very interesting, I would like to know who stocked the rifle, I've never seen a  Hartung rifle with a one piece stock, let us know how it shoots.   ledball
  
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2012 at 8:48pm
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Ledball,                                                                         If you can get hold of a copy of C. S. Landis's book WOODCHUCKS and WOODCHUCK RIFLES you will find a chapter written by Eric Farr of NJ. In that chapter he tells why he made the one piece stock that you see on the Hartung rifle. On the picture page that is near page 162 in the book you will see a rifle that is a dead ringer for the one that I have and is pictured there in.

  
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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2012 at 8:37am
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Late last winter I decided to shoot my Remington Hepburn in 30/30 for the first time in many years.  I used Ideal 3011403 the old Pope design breech seated.  RP2 1/2 primer and at 12.0 gr of SR4759 the bullet holes printed round (bullet not tipping) and gave about a 1 1/8" five shot group with aperature sights.  I'm sure that this load can be increased to look for an optimal load but I haven't gotten to it yet.
  
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2012 at 7:01am
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RockRiver, That is about the type of bullet that I was looking for. Seems that most of what is available today is the gas check type of bullet. It appears to me that I should be able to use jacketed bullets as well. So I may start by using them till I find a plain base mold. First I have to get a set of dies. After fire forming a few cases I find that the chamber is not the standard 30-30 Ackley Imp but that it matches all the Ackley dimension but the shoulder is not quite as far out at the Ackley. So I will have to start looking for a die that will size the neck and not the body of the case. I do know that a 30-30 Win. die will seat the bullets in the case with no problem. I'm think of trying a 30 BR die with the right size bushing to size the neck only. A regular 30-30 Ackley IMP FL die should work as well if I shorten it some.
  
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2012 at 8:58am
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Helped a older club member Buddy get his 30/30 Ruger #1 hunting rifle shooting decent with PB bullets using a Saeco 315 mould with the gas check area bored out to make a plain base bullet mould, he found the mould on eBay or at a gun show for a very reasonable price. I bored out the gas check area and the resulting PB bullet cast about .310" - .3105" base diameter using 25:1 alloy and weighed 178grs. The 315 is a tapered mould and it worked very well for breech seating in my Buddies Ruger with 16.5grs of DuPont/IMR4198 (which he had an old 8lb can of) and the 315 PB bullet breech seated with the base about .075" past end of case into throat/bore.
It was an inexpensive way to get him into plain base bullet shooting & breech seating.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #11 - Sep 11th, 2012 at 9:12pm
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Mike-T, Thanks for the suggestion. I'll keep that in mind. Like I said before I don't plan to make a 30-30 swift out of this rifle. All I want to do is make an accurate cast bullet rifle and maybe shoot a few jacketed bullets out of it. Yes, I know that the bore has to be very clean before switching between bullets. However we retired shooters have time to play with things like this.
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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 6:28am
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Have you looked at Accurate molds? He can make about anything that you would desire and in a very short amount of time. Very nice molds and the service is great!

Also I just received a catalog for Pioneer Products and they have a line of molds and several plain base 30 cal molds that look interesting.

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Re: 30-30 plain base cast bullt loads
Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 6:35am
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            No I have not see either. Do you have a web address or where I can get information on the afore mentioned molds? Would like to check them out.

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Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2012 at 6:50am
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Accurate's website (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Pioneer Products does it the old fashioned way you have to write them US Mail for a catalog, do not have the address at hand.
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