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Reply #75 - Dec 10th, 2012 at 2:41pm
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"The serial number under the barrel should match the numbers on the side of the tangs" - this incorrect info, the serial number of the gun is stamped on the barrel in front of the receiver under the forearm. It is also stamped on the back of the forearm, the front of the buttstock, and on the buttplate. The numbers stamped on the left side of the tangs are assembly numbers, not serial numbers.
  
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Reply #76 - Dec 10th, 2012 at 2:48pm
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40-82,

You are correct, I apparently have to many guns & not enough brain power left! Thanks for the correction.
  

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Reply #77 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 8:36pm
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Crown-C, I've come to the realization that collecting old single shots can be quite challenging. Serial  # sequences make no sense, you often can't acurrately date ss rifles by serial numbers. Ballard #s are all over the place, certain models, like some Remingtons, have their own serial number ranges, there are very few factory records available, Marlin made so many custom Ballards that it's often hard figuring out exactly what many of their models really are. Something that has been very helpful to me is the availability of very high quality reference books; John Dutcher's book on Ballards, Roy Marcot's book on Remington Rolling Blocks and I have high expectations for the forthcoming book from Tom Rowe on Hepburns. Hats off to these gentlemen for all their efforts and hard work in researching these guns and making their knowledge available to us.
  
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Reply #78 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 8:47pm
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There were so many different practices for serialization on old rifles, that it's hard to keep track of them all.
Some makers hardly marked anything, like Winchester. Others marked every little part with the serial number, or some portion of it, like Marlin Ballards. 
The practice of using assembly numbers or special order numbers was also used by some like Win and Rem, but not by many makers. 
Seems everyone had their own method, and many makers kept poor records. With the great books that have come out in the last decade it's sure made things easier, but it's also driven the prices up on these fine old guns as more people learn.
  

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Reply #79 - Dec 11th, 2012 at 11:30pm
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I certainly agree with both of you guys. I have been a student of Ballards for a number of years, have all the books and just about when I think I know something about them I am proven wrong or find a variance. John Dutchers book is outstanding, along with Gerald Kelvers and Grant. Each new book brings out additional or more correct information. I now believe I know just enough to be dangerous! Can't wait for Tom Rowes book on Hepburns. There really isn't a great amount of literature on them. I'm also looking forward to Toms' Pope book. I appreciate you guys having the experience, knowledge and willingness to share to help keep us relative newcomers on track.  Richard
  

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Reply #80 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 8:46am
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My Hepburn is in final stages of restoration (new wood, case-color and bluing) and am wondering about the firing pin dimensions. Does an original Hepburn have a large diameter firing pin/hole that should be bushed for safe shooting? Have never seen the issue addressed in writing for a Hepburn as have on most other old SS rifles.
  

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Reply #81 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 9:48am
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Will be interested in answers to this. Put an .075" pin in my Hepburn. Had trouble with it sticking. Required a stronger retraction spring and some nose reshaping to get it to work properly. Sort of strange primer impression but works.
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Reply #82 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 1:57pm
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Unless there is an extreme amount of wear on the firing pin there shouldn't be a need for a bushing. You might consider replacing the old one. Last year at Raton the pin broke on my 38-50 Hepburn as I was starting to shoot the pigs. Luckily, Dan Zimmerman had one in his shooting box. I installed the new one and was able to get right back on the line (using my alibi, of course) on the next relay. The firing pin he uses in his (DZ Arms) guns are an exact replacement.
  
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Reply #83 - Dec 12th, 2012 at 2:50pm
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I had a problem with my Hepburn WLR primers backing out , preventing the lowering of block, and opening. (Suspect pin was sticking and pulling them back) ( probably original larger pin?)

I got suggestions from 2 sources to use CCI primers,which are harder, I could only get CCI Mag primers, but they work like a charm and solved my problem

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Reply #84 - Dec 13th, 2012 at 4:37pm
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Thanks. Think I'll order a spare from DZ Arms. 
Also, the only primers I've had problems with in shooting BPCR over the past 3-4 years are Win LR. Fed 215M and Rem 9 1/2 work like a champ in all my loads. I've had 6-8 Win LR misfires. That's enough for me.
  

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Reply #85 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 7:04am
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Just got this picture of the engraving (Dale Woody) from Millard Hixson, who is doing the wood on my Hepburn. Finish the wood and the case-color/bluing and is ready to go. Hope to have by summer.
  

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Reply #86 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 8:06am
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Rather than case color, if you want to see the engraving, either nickle plate or better yet a french gray nickle plate finish really looks good.  Bluing and case coloring really hides engraving.
  
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Reply #87 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 10:06am
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SSShooter,

Dale does nice engraving work. The minimal scroll work should be just what you wanted.
What sights are you going to use? I did manage to pick up original sights at the Tulsa show awhile back for mine. They did not come cheap, but they look great and the rifle shoots well with them.
Give us some photos again when it is all finished. Thanks---  Richard
  

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Reply #88 - Dec 16th, 2012 at 2:33pm
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Thanks...... am quite pleased with what I've seen in the pic's. Think I may ask Dale to put a second fleur d'lis in the open space forward of the one he has all ready put on. Really looking forward to the finished product. 

Have a large Lee Shaver globe w/level for the front and a Hoke tange sight for the rear, along with my 28" MVA scope. Once I've done some shooting I'll have to decide between the two sets of sights. One will stay on the Hepburn and the other on the High Wall.
  

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Reply #89 - Jan 29th, 2013 at 8:57pm
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Getting close(r). Wood and bluing on the barrel/screws and buttplate are finished. Just waiting on the case-coloring and final assembly. Will likely have the wood checkered next winter. Right now I just want to shoot the gun. Wink
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