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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	45-70 false muzzle Mar 11^th, 2012 at 10:43am	Print Post
	found a really nice I beleive unfired 45-70 false muzzle rifle on a ruger #3 it has all the tools . the rifle was built by a gent E larralde of santa barbera ca. it came with a collection of old brass some date stamped to 1943 in good shape. can anyone tell me any thing about the gunsmith? i plan on stocking this rifle and shooting it here locally. thanks
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16300 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #1 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 11:42am	Print Post
	Haven't heard the name Laralde before. Looks like nice work on the various pieces. A quick Google search turns up several people named Laralde in the Santa Barbara area, so you might consider contacting one of them to see if they have/had a relative that might have been the gunsmith involved in your Ruger. There's also the possibility the barrel and tools were on a much older gun previously, and refitted to the Ruger action later.

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Jerry_H Ex Member	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #2 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 3:50pm	Print Post
	irish66, Try contacting the San Diego Schuetzenguilde or one of it's members. I know some of them knew and shot with Ed. Send me a PM if you don't have any luck and I'll try and get a phone number for you. Jerry H


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #3 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	jerry thanks will try to get in touch with russ. or harold. thanks


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #4 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 4:32pm	Print Post
	Irish it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the barrel was not made by Barry Darr. Is there any markings on the underside of the barrel. J.Louis

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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #5 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	on the underside is E Larralde 1/30/83 nothing else. will check with a friend in kansas who is a close friend of barry darr and see what he may know.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #6 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 7:50pm	Print Post
	Irish send Barry a PM he goes by ole7groove on this site. J.Louis

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Jerry_H Ex Member	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #7 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 8:07pm	Print Post
	irish66, Russ would be the one to call. He answered a few questions about some of Ed's things I have. Jerry H


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #8 - Mar 11^th, 2012 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 7:50pm: Irish send Barry a PM he goes by ole7groove on this site. J.Louis will be calling him tomorrow night, all ready called russ and left a message will try again tomorrow. thanks m


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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 695 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #9 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 11:14am	Print Post
	Irish, As I PMed you Ed was an employee of Saeco and was there when Barry Darr was in Carpenteria with Bob so like Louis I think it is a darr barrel. Saeco sold to Redding after Bob died Ed stayed in Santa Barbara for some years.


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	NICE FIND!!!! one of those that makes me almost Froggish with envy. With that barrel and a heavy stock it should be a pussy-cat off the bench or crosssticks. check the twist and match you bullet to that. and it will be real "condition" resistant. Dave Crossno has several nice stock patterns for Rugers

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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #11 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 7:16am	Print Post
	all ready have a stock in mind from cpa i have the wood mesquite. and do not bpcs any more but will shoot it at tssra fall match in oct if ready.


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tommyauger Full Member Offline Posts: 159 Location: Altoona Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #12 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 8:08pm	Print Post
	I understand the false muzzle sort of. case in the camber. Than push the bullet down muzzle to a depth you want. is this correct. Also can you load everything from the breech if you choose?????TommyAuger

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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #13 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	dontknow about loading all from the muzzle guess you could. had a great chat with barry darr tonight. he told me all about this rifle and some of the history of saeco. the rifle was assembled by Ed Larralde the barrel and tools were done by him. I am proud to own it. irish


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7324 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #14 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:39am	Print Post
	Congratulations, owning a Barry Darr barreled rifle is quite a honor. Frank

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #15 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:22am	Print Post
	Tommy, normally when loading a false muzzle breech loader, a plugged case is inserted into the chamber and the breech closed, not a primed or loaded one, then the bullet seated, the plugged case removed and a charged one inserted. That way you're not working on loading a bullet into a primed/charged case with the rifle closed and cocked. David

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rustyrelx Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 474 Location: Wallace Idaho Joined: Oct 9^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #16 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	I had used Ed Larralde in several instances many years ago. Still have a barreled A1 Mid Range Ballard he installed a barrel for me. I was informed at the time he was selling Saeco molds and had been "familiar" with Mr Barry Darr. Late 70's to early 80's if I remember correctly. He put some 38-55's, 32-40's, and 40-70's and at least 2 45-70's for me. There was a barrel maker in Montana that he used alot in the late 70's. Nice gentleman.
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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #17 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 6:13am	Print Post
	next week the piece of wood i have in mind goes to the sawmill for a cut or two then off to cpa. I have to build a seater for it, i am going to build both a pope style and at barry's suggestion a breech seater. I have owned too many big bore bp rifles so i will ring this un out. i have an mva rear will try to see if they make a base or i will so wil; have a little fun getting this one on the bench will post results when it is done.


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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #18 - Mar 16^th, 2012 at 8:09am	Print Post
	problem with tang sights on Ruger SS rifles is the safety button. A lot of target-only #1/3 rifles have had the safety mechanism removed, just to simplify things. I guess they feel that since it is a target range-only rifle a positive safety is not required. (I have reservations about that myself) Some also use the ex-safety slot to anchor a breech seater but a highwall-style breech seater works pretty well. Steve Durren makes a real nice one, as do the other usual suspects If there is no safety its a matter of getting the angles of the base correct and then drilling and tapping. Some have fabricated a new safety button with "wings". That way the bottom of the sight base can be relieved so it bridges over the safety. the "wings" extend on each side of the base so you can still have an operational safety. I have a #3 project slowly percolating and I'll go that route myself.
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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 536 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #19 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	being a tool and die machinist making a site base is not a majot thing will most likely incorporate a breech seator in it. this does not have a safety so it will be easy have a long way to go and a short time to get it done.


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Kermit1945 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 980 Location: In Flux Joined: Aug 31^st, 2011	Re: 45-70 false muzzle Reply #20 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 12:33pm	Print Post
	Ooooh! Photos when you've got 'em, please!

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