Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets (Read 13358 times)
MerwinBray
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


Aw Gees

Posts: 937
Location: Kansas City, KS
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #15 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 8:08am
Print Post  
Does the pan you use have tappered out sides? I have to wait until the lube is pretty cooled off. Then I gently put pressure on the corners, a slight twisting. this usually loosens the cake. (for me this is where the cheap-o pan helps, just how I do it. Have never tried a stiff heavy or cast iron pan) Normally at that point I can turn the pan upside down and it will fall right out. I may have to wrap on it a bit to get it to jar loose. Very rarely, I run a dull knife around the outside of the lube next to the pan to help break the adhesion of the lube to pan.
May be that the lube I use (normally homemade or spg) lends itself to breaking free easily. What lube are you using, and anyone else have thoughts on type of lube and how it attaches itself to the pan?
  

Great Plains Precision Rifle Club
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Sendaro
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


When the sight is on SEND
IT!

Posts: 588
Location: Saratoga Springs NY
Joined: Nov 21st, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #16 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 8:58am
Print Post  
Think that I'll take a look at wally world and see what they have in the way of the non-stick baking pans with the angled sides. 
   I've been using a Pyrex dish and it's a pain in the butt to get the cake out. I've been putting it in the freezer and then popping the cake out. Problem is some times the cake breaks up. This leaves bullets without lube on some sides. Then I fill in the grease grooves finger lubing. This is time consuming and not much fun. 
   I've used the method where the cake is intact after pushing the bullets out and then replacing them in the cake with bullets that need lube. I like this method and want to continue using it. Just looking for a pan that the cake will come out easier. So it's off to Wally World when this damn head cold lets up.
    Sendaro
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
KAF
Ex Member


Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #17 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 9:11am
Print Post  
The Nov Dec issue of the Single Shot Journal had a excellent article on pan lubing.

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
plumloco
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 138
Location: Manassas ,VA
Joined: May 20th, 2004
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #18 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 9:33am
Print Post  
I use the cake pans i found in ace hardware. They are a satin silver color. When the lube starts to harden. It draws away from the sides. Flip it over and it falls right out. Love em
Plumloco
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #19 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 11:19am
Print Post  
Sendaro if you are having issues with the lube sticking in and filling out the grooves, place your bullets in the oven on bake warm and leave the door cracked open. After about fifteen minutes or so take them out and pour in the lube and this should eliminate that issue. I was having the same problem when I first started pan lubing back in the late 90's and Charlie Dell turned me on to the pre-heating approach and I have not had any issue since. I store my bullets in the foam cartridge containers and I place them in nose down, I then set the cake pan over two of them containing a total of 100 bullets and flip the whole works over. The bullets are now standing on there bases and I leave the foam containers on them while transporting from the garage, to the oven and then back to the garage at which time I gently remove them. This keeps the bullets from falling over while transporting them. After the lube cake has cooled I remove it from the pan, stand it on edge and poke out a bullet from each corner. I then place the foam containers over the bullets poking out, lay it back down and then simply push each bullet into there assigned places. Put a foam top on each one and attach it with a heavy rubber band and they are ready to take to the range. I also place a note on top with a piece of blue masking tape stating alloy, weight, batch etc.

J.Louis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7283
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #20 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 11:49am
Print Post  
I do mind a little different than anyone has posted. I use the electric stove. Set the pan w/lube on the burner, slowly raise the temp until it melts (now I know the setting and omit this step). I place the bullets in and turn the burner off. If I'm in a hurry, I carefully take the pan off and set on the stove top to cool.

For those that have trouble getting the cake of lube out of the pan, put it in the refrigerator, if it still sticks, put in the freezer and it will pop right out. Darr doesn't shirk as much as BW lubes and that is my standard procedure with Darr. Don't push the bullets out untill it comes back to near room temp.

Frank
  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Sendaro
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


When the sight is on SEND
IT!

Posts: 588
Location: Saratoga Springs NY
Joined: Nov 21st, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #21 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:31pm
Print Post  
J Louis,
      What a neat way of pan lubing! I like it, and will have to try it. Where are you getting the little foam boxes. I understand that they are like the boxes that come with loaded ammo.
      I have been storing my lubed bullets in the small MTM plastic ammo boxes used for 380 or 9MM live ammo. I also have placed labels in the box to ID the bullet's lube, alloy, mold, and date cast. 
              Thanks again, Sendaro
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Sendaro
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


When the sight is on SEND
IT!

Posts: 588
Location: Saratoga Springs NY
Joined: Nov 21st, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #22 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 1:39pm
Print Post  
Frank, I have used the freezer trick to get the cake out. It works, but I must have been in a hurry to push out the bullets and didn't wait long enough for the cake to come back up to room temperature. I also noticed that while in the freezer the cake some times cracks and fishers start to appear. Again I'll bet that I'm not waiting long enough before putting the pan in the freezer.
     Using the lubber sizer maybe somewhat easier and neater, but I'm finding that my rifle shoots better with bullets that are not sized. I'll go the extra and learn to pan lube MO BETTER!
                             Sendaro
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 2:11pm
Print Post  
Sendaro the ones I use came from Midway several years back and they came with a fold down card board box for each container. I had enough on hand to not have to use the card board box as I prefer to use one foam container as a lid and setup this way it creates an R insulating factor that keeps the lube from melting and or getting to soft on hot days. The issue I had with the plastic containers is it does not take very long in the sun light to melt the lube on the bullets and they should be keep in a cooler of sorts to keep the lube cool. My original supply of the foam containers amounted to 100 each and that was enough to store 2500 cast and if desirable pre-lubed bullets in and to have on hand. Taken care of they will last a lifetime and I have lost very few over the years from being damaged. 

J.Louis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Sendaro
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


When the sight is on SEND
IT!

Posts: 588
Location: Saratoga Springs NY
Joined: Nov 21st, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 4:23pm
Print Post  
J Louis,
        Seem to remember them being for sale. 

    Guess that I'm getting caught up in the making your own bullet lube thing like so many guys new to shooting cast bullets in rifles do. The first formula that I tried was equal parts of bees wax, Crisco, and paraffin wax with 2 table spoons of bear oil. Has
been working for me. However all of my shooting has been with plain base cast bullets in the 1 to 25 ratio at low velocity. That is around 1200 fps. Wonder if this lube will continue to work at a higher velocity. Like in the 1400 fps range.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JLouis
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 10625
Joined: Apr 8th, 2009
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 5:54pm
Print Post  
Sendaro you won't know if it will handle the higher velocity until you try it. The proper lube is critical for extreme accuracy and it either provides small groups or it doesn't. Just because the rifle does not lead does not mean it is the best choice of lube for the occasion. A good example of this is on page 124 in the book The Story Of Pope's Barrels by Ray M Smith. Pictured is a target with two groups shot with the 38-72 Kelly Pope with the only thing being changed the lube. One group if you can call it that was shot with Leupold Lubricant and it appears to be around 2 inches and the other group was shot with Pope's Lube and it measures .53 of an inch. Load used was 18grs. DuPont bulk shotgun powder screened, 1-32 alloy breach seated. Both Lubes had an outstanding reputation and I would hesitate to say one was better than the other but this load in this rifle definitely had a preference for the Pope lube. I have had the opportunity to test just about every lube out there including a couple variations of my own and to date the Dell 59C has provided the best small group size consistency for me day in and day out and it is not affected by either very cold or very hot weather conditions either. It is also not sensitive to higher than normal velocities. If you have had the opportunity to review Jan's amazing 10 shot 200yd target you will notice he is having great success with Emmerts Lube. My rifles and my loads do not like it at all and the performance for me has always been very sub-standard. 

J.Louis
  

" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
frnkeore
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 7283
Location: Central Point, OR 97502
Joined: Jun 16th, 2010
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 6:26pm
Print Post  
As John says, you can't really tell what lube a rifle will like until you  try it. One lube that "most" rifle barrels like is Darr lube. I've had extremely good results with it in all my rifles. 

It IS heat sensitive and starting above 80 deg you have to watch for leading. It will not crack when put into the freezer and pops right out. It didn't shoot well with loads above 1800 fps but, does well at <1500.

It seems to have gone out of style (maybe because of the temp thing) and since I started back shooting a year and a half ago, I've been using Smilleys. I have not shot better groups with Smilleys lube but, I don't have to refrigerate my bullets in hot weather with Smilleys.

I shot Darr against Emmert years ago and the Darr won the out on those results. 

If I were to test lubes again, Darr would be my standard with which to gage others.

Frank
« Last Edit: Feb 17th, 2012 at 11:49pm by frnkeore »  

ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
jfeldman
ASSRA Board Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 1083
Location: Imperial Beach, Ca
Joined: Nov 5th, 2005
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 10:46pm
Print Post  
When I used a tin pan I lined it with tinfoil first.  My wife has since turned me on to a rubberized baking pan that works even better.  I also now use J Louis' method with the foam boxes -when the pistol shooters finish up a box of .38 specials.  Thanks John!
Regards, Joe
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MAD MIKE
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 655
Location: So Cal
Joined: Oct 31st, 2006
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 2:03am
Print Post  
If you want to try Smiley's lube, it's advertised in the classified section of the SSRJ (not the 50/50 but the schuetzen lube) I've been using it for over 30 years with no probs...     ...MIKE...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MIKE-T
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


[SHOOTCAST>

Posts: 636
Location: Wexford Township Michigan
Joined: Apr 16th, 2004
Re: Pan? for Pan Lubing bullets
Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2012 at 10:10am
Print Post  
MIKE are you pan lubing using Smiley's, I pan lubed some bullets recently with 50/50 BW/Alox using a double boiler, the smell in the house was quite objectionable; Sad 
Do you have the same problem with the Smiley's?
MIKE-T
MAD MIKE wrote on Feb 18th, 2012 at 2:03am:
If you want to try Smiley's lube, it's advertised in the classified section of the SSRJ (not the 50/50 but the schuetzen lube) I've been using it for over 30 years with no probs...     ...MIKE...

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 3 
Send TopicPrint