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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:56pm	Print Post
	Looking at what is supposed to be a Walnut Hill 49 but it looks like a 47 with a checkered forearm added on Gunbroker. No holes in tang for tang sight and no front sight. Only scope blocks. Looks like it has never had open sights on it. Can't find .40-70 in my datalogs. Caliber stamped under the forearm, not on top of the barrel. Talked to seller today and it is Stevens marked barrel but no caliber marked on the top left of the barrel like it normaly is. Opinions??


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7337 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #1 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	Sounds like maybe a old reproduction to me. I've never seen one w/o the tang drilled. Frank

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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #2 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	Did the owner varify that the frame is marked 49? Butt stock could be 49 with checkering removed or ordered with no checkering. 49s came standard with engraving ( my 49 is scroll engraved ). I don't think it was ordered without engraving, it would have been cheaper to order a 47 with an optional cheekpiece. Can't imagine Stevens chambering a 44 1/2 in 40-70 (even back then they had lawyers). With the correct stamps the whole gun could have been renumbered to match the barrel. And remember the 44 1/2 was designed for smokeless powder cartridges. Good luck, ...MIKE...


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #3 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:30pm	Print Post
	I've heard that the 44 Ideal was offered in 40-70 Ballard 2 3/8" at one time, but don't know if that cartridge was offered in the 44 1/2.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #4 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I saw a .40 Stevens schuetzen rifle in Spokane. It was rebored and had Pope style rifling. Would imagine a Stevens rifle could be had without the screw holes, couldnt they? Joe.

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #5 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 11:32pm	Print Post
	Just sent a message asking about the stamp on the front of the frame. Stamping on the barrel looks factory from what I could see in the photos and seller on the phone today said there was no caliber markings on the normal place on the left side of the barrel. I kind of doubt that it would be an old reproduction. By who?? The more I learn about Stevens, the more I find I don't know.


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7337 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #6 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 12:37am	Print Post
	Ken Breisen made them in the 80's, maybe before that. He the one that sold his tooling to Shuttleworth to make them . I have one and so does J. lewis. Frank

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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #7 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 1:01am	Print Post
	So how can you identify one of these?


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1469 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #8 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 2:26am	Print Post
	The Bresien action kits were the same size as the Shuttleworths are now, big enough to fit a 1" barrel shank. It would be thicker than an original Stevens action.


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creedmoormatch Ex Member	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #9 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 8:06am	Print Post
	That particular Gun Broker seller has a pretty nice Stevens 12 Ga. Double Shotgun I would like to get. He's from Maine, so you've gotta trust him. Creedmoormatch


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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #10 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 8:10am	Print Post
	As I remember the Bresine actions were the same as the Stevens 44 1/2. Making them thicker so they would accommodate a Winchester size shank was Paul Shuttleworth's contribution. I could be misremembering John or Frank can confirm. You can tell the difference by looking at the work. If the mortise looks like it was hacked out with an ax then its Stevens work. Ken' Actions were made up from bar stock not castings. 40 Rod


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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7337 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #11 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	40 Rod, I just looked at mine. I got it right after he sold Shuttleworth his 44 1/2 stuff, in I think the winter of '86. It measures 1.23 wide and is a investment casting. It was left over parts, trigger casting, hammer, frame w/o barrel threads and a simifinished breech block and trigger plate. That was the only time that I ever taked to Ken. I didn't ask anything about the history of his action but, I remember him saying that they were a exact copy of the Steven, other than being wider. Frank

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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #12 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	slumlord, If you've got money burning a hole in your pocket, have you seen the 45 or the 47 that the same seller has for sale? The 47 looks like a nice one, especially if it was rebored by Stevens. The 45's got DSTs & what looks like a #5 barrel. Calibers are 32 Ideal &32-40 respectively. ...MIKE...


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Stevens 44 1/2 in .40-70? Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	No money burning a hole in my pocket but I am looking for something that strikes my fancy. All these guns have issues that concern me but I would buy the right gun with issues if the price is right. Also looking at a 417 Walnut Hill with issues. Anyone know if these could be ordered with a 26" barrel instead of the standard 28" barrel?


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