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What the heck is this?
Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:59am
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Re: What the heck is this?
Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:05am
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Looks like a Remington #2 rifle.
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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:17am
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Just guessing, but that hump behind the hammer looks like it belongs on a rolling block pistol frame and the upper tang straightend out. Lower tang could have been swapped out and a standard #2 lower tang installed. 

Almost forgot...I don't remember ever seeing a round-top receiver ring on a factory Rem #2, only ones I ever encountered were octagon.
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:37am
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Pretty sure all #2s had flats milled on the receiver. The hump does not look like a #7. The DECORTIS is Belgum associated with flobert. Could be a copy that someone stamped Remington on the side. I would like a close look at this roller, but not enough to buy it.

  
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 10:32am
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jimmy wrote on Mar 25th, 2011 at 4:37am:
Pretty sure all #2s had flats milled on the receiver. The hump does not look like a #7. The DECORTIS is Belgum associated with flobert. Could be a copy that someone stamped Remington on the side. I would like a close look at this roller, but not enough to buy it.


I have a #2 that has a round receiver ring. It was originally chambered
for 32-20, and has a rotary extractor. If I can get a photo
for you, I will post it. I have to use my phone, which poses
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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 9:34pm
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It looks to me like a #4 Bolling Rock with a BP firing pin.

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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 11:50pm
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MikeT,
The quick give-away is that the Rem #4 frame to butt stock line was squared, no curved radius at the rear. Also, the #4 didn't have a lower tang, or a removable trigger guard. 

jimmy,
A foreign remake of the #2 keeps making more sense the more I look at the pictures and see additional details that don't quite match up  with the Rem version. 

Shorty, 
Hope you are able to post that picture of yours. You've got my curiosity up. 

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Reply #7 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 9:14pm
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The raised portion behind the hammer does not look like a Remington #2
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2011 at 10:43am
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Unless this is some rare prototype of the Rem. #2, my guess is it's an import and the Rem. patent markings are there because they paid Rem. a royalty to build copies of the Rem. #2 and import them here. 
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 7th, 2011 at 4:23pm
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Just helping Shorty get the pictures of his Remington #2 round-top with a rotary extractor posted. 

Here's some notes he sent with his photos:
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Attached are a few photos of my #2 project receiver. I bought this, sight unseen, as a parts gun. It was cheap, because the action was "locked up". Pictures aren't the best, but the best that I can offer. Someone polished the heck out of the rifle and reblued it. It is possible that this polishing resulted in the round receiver shank, but I am not convinced...

De Haas said " On the first of the No. 2 rifles, those with the name, address, and patent markings on the upper tang, a different extractor was usually employed; the rotary type fitted into the left side of the breech block as on most No. 1 actions"


Shorty,
Thanks for sending the pictures and the info. It is a unique #2 Rem and an interesting piece of history. Hope all goes well with your restoration. 
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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2011 at 12:02pm
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 Strange #2 there in the round top. I was expecting to see a very early production model, as that would make more sense to explain a round top. But the patent dates on the receiver indicate a mid production model with the 4 patent dates. I'd be curious to see the barrel rollstamp to narrow it down further and get an idea as to when it was produced. 
The rotary extractor indicates a mid production also, as early had a fragile thin sliding extractor, and late went back to a sliding extractor, but heavier.
The receiver has been heavily polished and hot blued, so no way to tell if it was always round top at this point, but looks like it might be original.
  

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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2011 at 5:42pm
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Marlinguy,

I wish I had the barrel, but all that remains is a 3" stub. This week I put the receiver on an optical comparator to look for irregularities that might betray any alteration of the top, but it does appear original.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2011 at 9:43am
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Thanks Shorty! Very unusual gun, and I wonder why Rem. would begin the #2 with an octagon action, and end it with octagon, but slip some round top in the mid production range (as verified by the extractor)??? 
Like many other makers I suppose Rem. would special order for a customer if he was willing to pay the price, so maybe someone just didn't like the looks of a octagon top and special ordered a round top.
  

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