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Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 3:00pm
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Maybe I will keep it all together.
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Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 3:25pm
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mwhite49 wrote on Mar 14th, 2011 at 3:00pm:
Maybe I will keep it all together.
Mike


Hello Mike,
You have an excellent looking Borchardt Military Rifle and despite there being several thousands of them made, very few now exist in original condition. Keep it as it is, PLEASE. Look for a clunker action that you can build into whatever you want. An original Borchardt Military Rifle can only appreciate in value. Given the way prices have been going up in recent years it will probably double in value in just five years.

To strip a Borchardt is not the easiest task due to the large number of parts. Frank DeHaas described dissembly and reassembly in his book Single Shot rifles and Actions, a book every single shot rifle fan should possess.

Be aware that everything has to be done in a specific order or it doesn't work. The firing pin must be in the cocked position before taking the action apart and cocked again before reassembly. Handling the cocked breechblock takes a little practice, but you will soon get used to it.

The chip in the woodwork at the side of the upper tang is almost a Borchardt 'trademark' due to either poor fitting, the wood shrinking over the years or recoil. At least it looks like you have the original piece of Walnut rather than a replacement. Glass bedding was unknown in the 1880's. lol.

There's no reason why you shouldn't shoot it 'as is' It's as good as any military rifle of the period and better than most.

Enjoy.

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Reply #17 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 5:13pm
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Hi Harry, I think you all ae correct and it would be a shame to tear it down for just an action. It is in too nice of shape with a decent bore.
I will keep it as is and just lightly clean it up.
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Reply #18 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 6:37pm
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And the original wiping rod!  WOW!   

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Reply #19 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 9:02pm
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Last time I found a wiping rod for sale for a Borchardt they wanted $250.00, I was shocked. But figuring in the age of these rifles and the amount of different owners they have each had to find one with the original rod is like finding the needle in the haystack. I just get plumb lucky sometimes.
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Reply #20 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 9:28pm
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When I was young and into my thirties I didnt think twice about sporterizing a Mauser or Springfield rifle.  I did some nice ones too.  Now I look at what people are paying for old K98 Mausers that once sold for twenty dollars on the back of the NRA magazines.    Shocked 

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Reply #21 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 11:19pm
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Joe, I know what you mean, I purchased my first ever 1903 Springfield ffrom Monkey Wards for 39.00 and it was like new and cut for the Pederson devise too. Like you, I sporterised it and now the prices ae way up there. I still remember the adds for mausers and springfields for 39.00, a Garand sniper at 109.00 a plain Garans for 79.00. And Shuetzen rifles were dirt cheap too. But then when you consider what everything else cost then I'm amazed. And our wages were low to boot. A coke and a candy bar for less than a quarter. I think a pack of smokes was 25-50 cents and gas was .29 cents  a gallon all day long. and that was the 60's into the early 70's before the first OPEC attack.
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Reply #22 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 12:17am
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Now you making me feel old.... I used to pay $ 0.16 cents a pack for smokes and $0.19 cent a gallon for 100+ octane for my VW. When gas went to $0.32 cents a gallon we were all told that it was just temporary till they get the reserves going again.
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 2:22am
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The cheapest gas I can remember was at the Hudson gas station on Santa Clara street in San Jose.  .22 cents a gallon if I remember right. 

Another thing I remember was all the bald tires on all the cars.  Now days you seldom see a set of bald tires on a car. I remember my dad trying to pick the best bald tire to use for a spare.  Money would have went further back then if we'd had any.   

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Reply #24 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 2:11pm
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Huson gas, boy that is old. I remember Signal gas stations as well.
For everyone out there shooting an original Borchardt I pose a question do they prefer cast grease grove or paper patched? 
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Reply #25 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 3:58pm
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Hello Mike,

The original Sharps Rifle Co. offered a range of swaged bullets for sale, in just about all the calibres they made, they offered no-groove, paper patched or grooved unpatched bullet heads. The ratio offered was usually three PP Bullets of different weights to every one GG bullet.

Paper patched was the norm in the 1870's to the 1890's. Similarly here in Britain just about all sporting lead bullets were Paper Patched as were the lead bullets for the .577/450 Martini Henry Service Rifles and Carbines. Grease grooved bullets didn't really become very popular until the early 1900's,

Paper patching is a lot of fun, try it. 

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Reply #26 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 4:15pm
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My Borchardt military is throated for paper patch. There is no end of the chamber. the chamber continues into a long tapered throat.  The rifling is six groove narrow lands, so should shoot GG bullets as well. 

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Reply #27 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 4:29pm
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I almost forgot that I have a picture of the original butt plate too. I just got a call about another Borchardt a friend has, he want's $1975, just like mine condition wise with cleaning rod but missing front sling swivel. These are coming out of the woodwork. Same friend also had a Borchardt Carbine all original including saddle ring for $3,500.00, he just sold that one today.
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Reply #28 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:41pm
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I've seen a lot of European military ammo that is paper patched, but never a paper patched U.S. Government 45-70 round. 
Any of you guys ever seen one?


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Reply #29 - Mar 16th, 2011 at 11:54am
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Cant say I have.   Cant remember either.  Not sure but wasnt all trapdoor military ammo either 405 GG or 500 GG?   




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