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Barrel Liner- Benchrest accuracy?
Mar 3rd, 2011 at 12:23pm
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I have A Highwall with an older 40-65 18 twist that is ready to make into a 25-20 for Quarter Bore Matches and  strictly A benchrest gun. One of the best I heard was have a Douglas/ Lilja or Shilen barrel, made up in .750 dia and slip it in as a barrel liner, alittle more pricy, but sure beats $600.00+ for A new barrel fitted. 
Any of you fellow shooters that have barrel liners, I'd sure like to know how they are in benchrest accuracy and final cost ready to shoot. Thanks, Pete
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 2:21pm
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Hello, Skalkaho.  This is an idea I have had in my mind for some time..but have never heard of anyone doing it lately.  The earlier gunsmiths did this same thing..and the Parker liners were noted for their accuracy..I think it would work very well.  If the liner barrel had to be turned down...you might even consider having it cryogenically stress relieved, for even greater accuracy potential.  Best of luck on your quarter bore project!
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 6:38pm
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  Hello Pete :

          Before you get too far into your preparation of a piece for the 1/4 Bore matches, might I suggest one thing.

         The ASSRA Quarter Bore Corp has a set of parameters that are closely followed.  You may want to familiarize yourself with exactly what the regs entail prior to working up a rifle expecting to compete.

        I will not speak for Quarter Bore, as he would be better able to offer you guidance on the issue.

        Good Luck
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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2011 at 7:46pm
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The QB matches are at Etna Green only?  Sorta makes the parameters look a little less important?  Especially if you live clear across the country somewhere and cant make a QB match at EG?  

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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 12:22am
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There's always the Quarter Bore postal.  And may I suggest having the back end of the barrel liner turned a little bigger for the length of the chamber to 1, keep all of the chamber and walls in a thicker section, and 2, making sure it gets installed on the right end of the liner.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 8:22am
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There is nothing in the rules that says that you can you can only have a .25 match at the Nationals. if you want to shoot one at your local event all you gotta do is get your local match director to add a .25 only match. I am sure that Ken would be happy to help you with advise if you asked.

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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 9:36am
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Enough shooters are starting to shoot them here in Montana, wyoming, Idaho and Wash. I guess if the action is sitting here ...might as well use it. Cheap practice!.
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 9:09pm
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40_Rod wrote on Mar 4th, 2011 at 8:22am:
There is nothing in the rules that says that you can you can only have a .25 match at the Nationals. if you want to shoot one at your local event all you gotta do is get your local match director to add a .25 only match. I am sure that Ken would be happy to help you with advise if you asked.

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Thanks 40 Rod,    I thought QB matches were at EG only.    Joe. 
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2011 at 9:30pm
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I would spring for a new barrel so you know where you stand right out the gate. If you were to install a liner and it did not shoot up to your expectations then you would have a tendency as I would to blame it on the liner. At that point in time we would both forsake all the variables, time and effort one needs to spend in load development to get it to shoot. With a new barrel you would bypass all that frustration and move forward to do all that you can to get the new barrel to shoot as there would be nothing to put the blame on but yourself.

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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 10:13am
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That what it comes down to. I am not keeping a gun as original, so to go for a new barrel probadley is the best way to go. There is next winters project! Thanks to replies here and PM's. Pete
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 4:24pm
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I have a 32-40 barrel used as a  liner slipped into a Swedish rolling block 16 ga shotgun barrel. It shoots exceptionally well.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2011 at 7:12pm
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Joe,
The Quarter Bore Corps only meets at Etna Green. Anyone can shoot a .25 caliber match anywhere they want. I would only ask that they not use the name "Quarter Bore Corps" unless they follow our rules.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 11:10pm
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i have one lined barrel and it shoots better than the original did. old one was worn a little but...
shilen stainless made into a 25-20 wcf is a neat shooter  reasonable cost through brownells Smiley
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 10th, 2025 at 4:32pm
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.22-5-40 wrote on Mar 3rd, 2011 at 2:21pm:
Hello, Skalkaho.  This is an idea I have had in my mind for some time..but have never heard of anyone doing it lately.  The earlier gunsmiths did this same thing..and the Parker liners were noted for their accuracy..I think it would work very well.  If the liner barrel had to be turned down...you might even consider having it cryogenically stress relieved, for even greater accuracy potential.  Best of luck on your quarter bore project!

Cryo is really the only way to go because is totally removes the memory in the metal which tells it where it came from.  Thus the metal doesn't know where its prior stress was.  "YOU" are the only one I've ever seen on any post that seems to know the effectiveness of that treatment. It was very popular 20-25 years ago, but I wouldn't even know where to get it done these days nor what the cost might be.   
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2025 at 10:59am
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Liners are made from 4130 steel which is a bit softer than 4140 heat treated steel used in most modern barrels. The 4130 is better than the metal used in old black powder barrels. The 416 Stainless steel barrels are not as hard but they will not flame cut like other steel barrels, can't cut with a cutting torch and the throat will not be harmed with the high heat from burning powder.
Turning down a high end barrel to make a liner would be very expensive. Barrel blank could run over $500 before you get started. TJ's liners are sold by the inch so most are under $200 depending on length. The 36" liner I bought recently was $214.
A customer sent me a picture of the group he shot with his lined 22 LR at 50 yards and it could be covered with a dime.

I can't say Cryo will help but I have found that many shooter do better if they think their gun will do better.
  

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