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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	38-55 @ 600yd Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 8:44pm	Print Post
	OK, just picked up an 1885 High Wall with a 28" barrel and 1-in-16" twist. Any suggested loads for shooting @ 600yd? Thanks.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #1 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 9:43pm	Print Post
	Heavy bullet, heavy load, aim high. Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #2 - Feb 2^nd, 2011 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	I would suggest J. Lewis's loads in his thread for the 38/55. For BP cram all the powder you can get under a 330 gr bullet and see if it will hit the target before the dirt. Frank

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nobearsyet Ex Member	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #3 - Feb 4^th, 2011 at 11:17pm	Print Post
	+1 on what westerner said, that has been my experience also, are you punching paper or trying to knock over rams?


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boats Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #4 - Feb 5^th, 2011 at 7:10am	Print Post
	300 gr bullet that fits it well 1250 fps using Black or the same velocity with 4759 They can be pretty good mid range guns. Mine with a 290 and 2 F black is a bit more accurate than 40/65's or 45/70's at Silhouette Ram Line 500 Meters. Light store bought bullets for 38/55's not as good when you get over 200 yards. If just punching holes in paper light recoil gun is going to outshoot a big one every time. Boats


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #5 - Feb 5^th, 2011 at 7:39am	Print Post
	Thanks for the replies. I've read the J.Louis threads and they are very informative. I'll be punching paper and attempting to topple rams. Will try Saeco's 255gr, RCBS's 312gr and Lyman's 335gr bullets with both FFg and 4227. Per J.Louis, might also give 300-MP a try.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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doubs43 Ex Member	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #6 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	While I can't comment on 600 yard performance and certainly don't think you'll be able to reliably take down a ram at 600 yards, I can share my load that gives an average of 1319 fps from the muzzle and has excellent accuracy. Average velocity deviation is 10 fps. In my Miroku-Winchester Hi-Wall, I use Starline 2.125" cases. I drop 2.5 grains of WW-231 and then 32 grains of WC-860. An RCBS 312 grain bullet sized to .377" and lubed in all bands is seated and crimped over the top drive band. It will reliably take down a full size ram at 225 yards and likely would at 250 yards although I haven't tried it at that distance. The spitzer design RCBS bullet should reach out but IMO will lack the energy to take a ram down at 600 yards. For paper punching or ringing a gong, it should do well.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #7 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 4:26pm	Print Post
	Thanks, but I think I'll stay away from duplex loads (even if both are smokeless). I've never used them and have read nothing good about doing so. For me, it is enough to keep up with a single powder.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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38-55 Full Member Offline Posts: 126 Location: central pa Joined: Jul 18^th, 2004	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #8 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	I shoot a 38-55 at silhouette and mid range. I finsihed 2nd in a F class match at 600 yds and 3rd in a mid range match, also out to 600ydsl. Shoot a 1-15 twist barrel with a 338 gr. bullet, with 47 grs of Swiss 3F. It is no 1000yd rifle.


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #9 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 4:26pm: Thanks, but I think I'll stay away from duplex loads (even if both are smokeless). I've never used them and have read nothing good about doing so. For me, it is enough to keep up with a single powder. Duplex loads are excellent. I use them in any match that allows it. ASSRA allows it because theres nothing wrong with it. Duplex loads were very common in the golden age in the SS Schuetzen era. Now you've heard something good about duplex loads. Black powder and smokeless, I refer to. There are several good threads on this forum on the subject. Trying to find them with the "search function" ? Thats a hoot! Keep reading. Joe.

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frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7261 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #10 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 5:14pm	Print Post
	I'm another proponent of duplex loads and have done very well with them, including duplex smokeless loads with 296/4831 in my 45/70. If your a experimenter, it's a area that you should not over look. It's been done for at least 120 years. If not for duplex/triplex loads, the 454 Casull probably wouldn't exist. Frank A foot note to this is.......... you need to have a good knowledge of handloading and powder burn rates, or use proven loads done by others.

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doubs43 Ex Member	Re: 38-55 @ 600yd Reply #11 - Feb 6^th, 2011 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	SSShooter wrote on Feb 6^th, 2011 at 4:26pm: Thanks, but I think I'll stay away from duplex loads (even if both are smokeless). I've never used them and have read nothing good about doing so. For me, it is enough to keep up with a single powder. It was only a suggestion. I use duplex loads in the 38-55 and 45-70. In the past I've also had excellent results in a 40-65. My experience with the 45-70 duplex loads go back more than 20 years. The beauty of WC-860 is that it's a very slow ball powder that fills the case and you can't possibly use too much to create high pressures. The ONLY danger is in a double charge of the WW-231 and a careful handloader won't make that mistake if they pay attention. Bullseye can be substituted for WW-231. No matter how you go, I wish you the best and would like to hear how you do at 600 yards. The 38-55 is a great cartridge within it's limitations IMO.


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