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need to know about 22 rim fire competition ?'s
Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:40pm
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Thinking of obtaining a barrel for my 44 1/2 in 22 LR. for competition. 
I have a few questions;
Do you shoot factory fixed ammo?
What ranges are shot?
What positions are used? (ie. bench, offhand, etc.)
What sights are called for? (scopes, tang sights etc.)
What else am I ignorant of?   
  
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Re: need to know about 22 rim fire competition ?'s
Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 1:08am
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1. Most people shoot fixed ammo for around $18-20 a box of 50. You can find cheaper that will give 1" groups but, your best score will only be 240-245 at best.

2. Most matches are shot at 100 yards, tho I see that there are people that play at 200. Small bore silhouette are shot at 25,50,and 100, I think.

3. ASSRA matches are shot the same as center fire. 10 shots for score OH & bench, most always at 100 and there is the Mini Hudson, 100 shots OH, also shot at 100 yards. I'm not sure if anyone shoots a group match with RF, I've never shot one.

4. All the RF matches I have shot have been with scopes. I don't even have a iron sight on any of my rim firers. A 12-16x scope is enough to see bullet holes with at 100, depending on how good your eyes are.

The main thing is a good barrel and a match chamber (see the post on chambers).

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Re: need to know about 22 rim fire competition ?'s
Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 6:40am
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Frank gave a good run down, only thing I can add is gallery indoors at 50'.  Gallery is a good place to work on offhand wintertime, No conditons to deal with and the rifles are good enough to shoot a perfect score. Off shots are the shooter not the gun.

Most gallery is AS=any sight and IS=iron sight then agg of both you can enter one or the other but match final standing is usualy aggrate


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Reply #3 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 7:31am
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Conventional NRA Outdoor Prone is shot at 50yds 50 Meters, & 100yds.
NRA 3 Position is shot at 50 meters.
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7.2 Smallbore Rifle Competition - A sanctioned match consists of 40, 60, 80 or 120 rounds fired in the
standing position on one-fifth size standard High Power Rifle Silhouette targets as follows:
(a) Ten Gallina (chicken) targets at 40 meters (or yards).
(b) Ten Javelina (pig) targets at 60 meters (or yards).
(c) Ten Guajalote (turkey) targets at 77 meters (or yards).
(d) Ten Borrego (ram) targets at 100 meters (or yards).   
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Reply #4 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 8:38am
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BPCR .22 Silhouette;
BPCR legal guns/classifications, classes for iron sight and scope (must be BPCR legal-not larger than 3/4" tube). 40 and 60 shot matches, targets- chickens 50 meters off-hand, pigs 100 meters prone or sitting, turkeys 150 meters prone or sitting, rams 200 meters prone or sitting. The targets are scaled down to give essentially the same sight picture as 200,300,385, and 500 meter BPCR targets.
This game is basically a shrunk-down version of BP Silhouette, legal guns will have exposed hammers, no palm rests, hooked butt plates, slings, tuners, etc. Also, no tight shooting coats.
All the fun and anguish of BP Silhouette, but no casting or loading.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 10:22am
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Get into Smallbore Silhouette and Smallbore prone many .22 Matches. Lots of single shots used in Smallbore prone.

Our club Silhouette some times will shoot my CPA scoped as a non conforming rifle not eligible for match placement. It does pretty well too. 2 lbs heavier than a legal Silhoutte rifle and set trigger is better  than all but the best Anschutz trigger. Scope 20X so it's up to snuff with internal adjustments   

Time spent flicking out the empty reloading cocking and setting the trigger is a negative. Plus I have to put it down to reload while the bolt gun stays in postion whole string, but thats all. You need to shoot them fast anyway

When that match is over we re-configure the line for a 40 shot match Iron sights NRA CLA Rams only Single shots and Lever Actions.  It's a lot of fun and Single shots win it most times. Lever guns if good can win too.  We let bolt guns iron sights shoot the match not for placement. So far even with the best bolt position guns shooting none have outshot the single shots.

Probably because of the guys shooting single shots.

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Reply #6 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 2:43pm
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One problem I've run into. 
I shoot ISs on my .22 for OH matches.  Even though the match will be advertised "any sight" the proper targets for ISs are seldom available. I've learned to take my own targets to a match. Most Schuetenmeisters are not friendly to the idea of providing the proper targets when one oddball shows up.  One such match is the ISSA NW Regional coming up in Spokane.  The large IS targets for 100 yards have never been available. I'll scrounge some up and take them along.

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Reply #7 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 5:15pm
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And it makes a big difference. I have a terrible time with red bulls and arpeture sights.  However the ASSRA targets have large bull one side small other so at least the size is correct for Iron.  Just no Black avalable. Matches around here except for Gallery are AS so I just put the scope on, would like to be able to shoot irons at times though

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Reply #8 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 9:00pm
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Not all the ASSRA targets are double sided Boats. 

Seems theres always a couple matches I go to that dont have the double sided ones.  For .22 IS OH, the large black bulls are the very best.  At 100 yards I can almost always see the bullet holes with my spotting scope.

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Reply #9 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 9:01pm
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I think I will get a 22 barrel for one of my guns some of your answers has my interest elevated. And, I have several Unertls scopes inc. a Small game and varmint scopes in different powers I could use as well a Soule sight. That should enable me to compete in different types of competition and see which I like. Thanks for the in-put, I will continue to monitor.
  
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Re: need to know about 22 rim fire competition ?'s
Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 10:11pm
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Minor correction.  ranges will vary, some ASSRA matches are hed at ranges with 100 yrd limits.  Others shoot at 200 yrds.

At the Etna Green range where I shoot, during our 3 annual regular matches, we shoot the 22s at 200 yards on a single entry 10 shot benchrest target. We also shoot a 100 shot "mini-hudson" an offhand match on an approprately scaled down target.  In addition we shoot 2 50 yard matches--both re entry, one is ten shots on a much reduced 2-bull target for score and another, the Stich match which is two shot on each of 5 small bulls for single shot closest to center.

In addition we have two  22 rimfire only matches, our first match in the Spring and out last match of the Fall.  At these we shoot a full panoply of ASSRA matches, offhand and bench, score and group, irons and any sight. except we do not do the 50 yard matches, needing all our portable backers for the 100 yard shooters.

While some of the shooters use the VERY high priced imported match ammunition, it may or may not be reflected in their scores.
  Winning scores are a combination of high quality equipment, (and a well fitted match grade barrel and chamber on a well tuned CPA would certainly meet rifle standard), the most accurate ammunition you can find for that specific rifle,  high quality optics or sights and good solid reliable bench equipment---for both bench rest shooting and also for ammo testing and sight regulation, spotting scope (22s make little bitty holes at 100 and 200 yards), wind flags and other down range gear may help too.   

However hardware is only part of the requirements.  Having or learning the shooting skills, learning to "read" the wind and environmental conditions---when to pull the trigger and when to wait.  Having patience.  The finest most precision rifle and optics and the nose-bleed high-dollar imported match ammo is wasted if the shooter does not have the skills to employ it properly.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 10:24pm
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second part:    that may have all sounded pretty negative,  It isn't 

I know some guys are REALLY competitive and if they can't win or at least place high they either won't come to a 22 match, or they'll go home if the conditions are less than optimum, or if they are just having a bad day.  thats their nature I guess and their choice.

But they are missing the sheer joy of stretching a 22 rimfire out to 100 yards and far beyond.  Most of us at Etna Green who shoot the 22s are doing it for the fun of it.  I'd guess that the camaraderie is even greater than it is at the centerfire matches.  the wind and the range conditions are a great leveler and the misery at times makes for a real sense of companionship.  I've heard a fair number of guys say that shooting a 22 at 200 yards with even moderate success is about as much fun as you can have with a rifle.  
The range skills learned with a 22 are a great aid in shooting the more powerful center fire rifles.   I have been shooting the 22s almost exclusively for the past couple years.  I'd never shot offhand before in my life so I was starting at less than ground zero.  Now after a couple years I'm going to give centerfire offhand a try this year.

Give it a try, there are lots of potential matches.  I'm certain you'll enjoy the experience
  

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Re: need to know about 22 rim fire competition ?'s
Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 11:26pm
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Wayne,,,,,,,,,, you could sell Aguilla ammunition to Lones Wigger. 

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Aguila or not, Mr Wigger would still win the match with it...  you KNOW he would!
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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 2:20am
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If you are going to obtain a barrel for your 44 1/2 in 22LR, Get a RKS (Ron Smith) gain twist and never look back. You can do no better.
  
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