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Jan 30th, 2011 at 5:51pm
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Alright folks I need some help here.

I have a really neat little remington rolling block. It is in 40-50BN with a good bore single set trigger and rough and ready rear sight. It is a light weight little thing with a light (lighter than a #3) 26" barrel. It was originally silver plated but all the silver has flaked off and it is now just overall brown with traces of silver here and there. The stock is original and all numbers match but someone along the way inlet a tiny little compass into the side of the stock then smeared the whole stock with what looks like linseed oil. The stock does not look to have been sanded and I think I can steel wool the goop off. I have a picture of the original owner holding the rifle (silver plated) in about 1889. My dilemma is this: It shoots really darn good. Good enough to shoot silhouette and midrange for sure with 50gr 3F and a 400gr bullet. I am really tempted to drill and tap the tang for a sight but cant quite bring myself to do it. WHile it is far from a perfect collectors specimen it is a neat little rifle with some good provenance. That said I would shoot it a whole lot more if I was to put a verneer sight on it and start shooting silhouette and midrange with it and I dont see that as any greater sin then the compass already in the stock or its overall finish-less condition. Thoughts ?? Thanks in advance.
  
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Re: Rolling block Dilemma
Reply #1 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 7:29pm
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Zack T,

What model is your rifle? 

Some early Rem's did not have the tangs drilled and tapped for tang sights during the beginning of the production runs, but phased it in at a later time period. 

If your particular model does have examples of factory drilled and tapped tangs showing up in later serial numbered rifles, I wouldn't feel it to be too amiss for you to do the same with yours provided that you can precisely duplicate original factory specs - thread size, spacing and proper location. 

If you won't be able to mount an original Remington sight using original Remington sight mounting screws, and also use original Remington plug screws in the tang when the sight is removed, I would leave it alone. 
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:25pm
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Great story Zack!  I love it. What a great problem to have.  Wink
I too have an early Rem roller in 40/70 BN. No sight base screws in the tang either. It's the early non rebated frame with the lower tang being longer than the later ones. Great rifle with a nice bore and single set trigger. I left it alone and dont shoot it. If I ever shoot a Buffalo, it's the rifle I'll use.  
I wonder if theres a way a base could be glued to the tang?  Sweat one on with 50/50 solder?   Awe what the heck! Go ahead and drill it. It'll make mine worth more.   Wink
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 8:33pm
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Hey Zack. Joe is a thinker.If you drill and tap.Then just maybe.? down the road. He can buy it cheaper for a parts rifle. Grin Grin. Whitey
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 10:44pm
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Alrighty- am gonna try and upload some pics. Forgive me they are of poor quality. I am no photographer !! Also included a pic of some loads. 250, 300, 360 and 400gr. They are stable at 300m. Dont know what they will be like at 500m and 600yds. The fellow sitting with the dog is holding this rifle. There is another pic of him on this same surveying expedition where he has the rifle on his foot and you can see it face on but I dont have that one scanned in. Thanks for the input !
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 10:47pm
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sorry. pics too large. gotta get them formatted smaller then will post
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 11:03pm
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testing testing...
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 11:22pm
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Zack T,

Looks like a civilian Rem #1 roller to me.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 11:39pm
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Great pictures Zack! Great rifle and story.  If it were mine I just couldnt drill and tap it.  Cry  I've got a soft spot for those old rollers. That one is just to nice. You could put that one away till you go on a Buffalo hunt and get another roller already set up for targets.  Smiley

The rifle looks way better than the mental image I got from your initial description.  Looks honest to me.

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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 8:47am
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If that rifle was mine, I'd most definitely NOT drill/tap it. You have a very nice piece of history there, it would be a shame to tamper with it.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 11:00am
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Why are you even thinking about drilling and tapping it? The rough&ready sight should do everything you need to do. Must have for the previous owner also, thats why it survived. 
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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2011 at 11:44am
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Gorgeous Rolling Block! I can't emphasize how much I am against D&T that gorgeous old Roller! Like Don said, that rear sight should already do whatever you want, so why put anything on it, or do anything to change it. 
Your #1 Sporter appears to be a Black Hills Sporter model in the caliber and 26" barrel. It's a piece of history, and any collector would love to own it, so if you want a Roller with a tang sight I'd sell that one and get one, or just buy a repro to mess with and keep that beauty as is.
I've got a similar one with a 34" barrel and no tang sight, but I wish it had that cool barrel sight you have. Mine's just a regular Rocky Mountain sight. I bought another #1 action and just built up a gun that I could play with and not worry about what was changed.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 12:05am
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I'm in the camp of the unwashed who break down originals to rebuild, drill and tap, etc, and I STILL WOULD NOT alter that rifle at all.  It's really too good of shape, and in perfectly usable condition as is.  I'd build another rifle exactly what I wanted to shoot, and keep this one as it is.  Too good of shape, a rarely seen configuration, and history/provenance with it.  It's easily worth 3 times what it would take to build a modern shooter just like it.

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Reply #14 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 1:47pm
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Yes, my suggestion is to leave it be.
  
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