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Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Jan 1st, 2011 at 11:52pm
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It is not quite a sinlgle shot rifle, but it is sort of close. 18" barrel, sholder stock, .410 guage. Antique, C&R, or must it have been previously registered with the BATF and requires a $200 transfer fee. Checked the BATF website and couldn't find this specirfic gun mentioned. They were made from 1876 to 1896 according to Cope's Stevens Pistols and Pocket Rifles. What would a nice one be worth if it is legal?
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 6:44am
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If I'm not badly mistaken a shotgun with an 18 inch barrel is quite legal. Also, the shoulder stock is legal. A pistol grip might be problematic. You might check the  BATFE web site. By the way, BATFE means " banning all things fun and exciting". Seriously, I believe you are good to go.
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 1:48pm
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Slumlord,

Is the shoulder stock the detachable style that slides into a dovetail cut in the base of the grip frame?
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 4:07pm
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Yes it is the detachable wire frame stock. Checked BATF website and couldn't find anything. Will have to dig out bookwork I got with C&R and see if I can find anyhthing. The gentleman who had it said it was legal but I would prefer a second opinion. Gun in nice shape. Only problem I see is somone made a wooden filler that fits in the wire stock and there are a couple of holes and screws in the stock to attach it. Wood matches the grips very well. Bore has been polished but nickel and blueing are nice. I would say 80% to 90%. Guy wants $1800 for it which seemed like a deal to me. Those guns in .22 and .32 go for that much in similar conditon and the .410 is rare.
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 4:52pm
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Slumlord,
If it was made before 1898 it's an antique and no Federal registration or paper work should be required. If it was made after 1898 and it was originally made as a shotgun by the Mfg. it would come under your C & R and the transfer fee would only be $ 5.00 as a "any other weapon" gun, not $ 200.00. State regs if any would be quite different. By the way, any shotgun with a 18 inch and a overall length of 26 inches is ok without Fed Paper work.

At least that's the way it was when I was in the business of selling such things.
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 6:53pm
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An 18" shotgun barrel is most certainly a nNFA length, last I knew minimum barrel length for a shotgun is 18.5"
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 7:01pm
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NBY, Federal minimums are 18.0" barrel length on a shotgun with 26.0" overall length.  Rifle minimums are 16.0" on barrel and 26.0" on overall.  Most gunsmiths and modern gun factories will insist on at least 1/8" longer than minimums.  Personally, I wouldn't shorten a barrel to less than minimum plus 1/2".

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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 9:25pm
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An 18" shotgun barrel is most certainly a nNFA length, last I knew minimum barrel length for a shotgun is 18.5"


Things may have changed but I sold this stuff for 35 years, where did you read that an 18 inch shotgun barrel was an NFA weapon ?.
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2011 at 9:39pm
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The 18" barrel should not be a problem. Not sure about the overall length. According to my references it is before 1898. Any comments on the asking price?
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 12:08am
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The BATFE website a while ago when I bought the suppressor for my AR-15 300 Whisper coyote gun, I may have been wrong however I don't feel like looking right now.
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 6:20pm
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The BATFE website a while ago when I bought the suppressor for my AR-15 300 Whisper coyote gun, I may have been wrong however I don't feel like looking right now.



I understand,
I'm only trying to help a member by supplying what used to be correct Info, sorry  if I mislead you slumlord44.  If nby read it there he must be right. nby doesn't fell like looking it up righ now but when he does feel like helping out maybe he will point you to the correct Info.
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 7:40pm
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[quote]having one or more barrels less than 18
inches in length, and any weapon made
from a shotgun, whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise, if such weapon
as modified has an overall length of less
than 26 inches. [quote]

text from the National firearms act that can be found here

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Sorry, I was in a hurry earlier, had a DOT physical, I was wrong.
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 9:00pm
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nobearsyet,

 I believe you are the first person to use that expression on this forum!
"I was wrong".
I could be wrong, but congratulations anyway.
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 9:42pm
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My dad always told me that it takes a big old pair of balls to admit when you're wrong, and a small part of the female anatomy to always be right.
  
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Re: Stevens New Model Pocket Shotgun legality
Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 12:01pm
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My dad always told me that it takes a big old pair of balls to admit when you're wrong, and a small part of the female anatomy to always be right.



I wasn't trying to be a smart ass or comment about the size of your balls, and don't really care if you have any parts of the female anatomy.

  Was only trying to help keep the info correct and help other members with what I thought was correct info. You seemed so positive with your comment that you were right even I believed you, so thought the law may have been changed.    "I was wrong"  the law wasn't changed.
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