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Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Oct 29th, 2010 at 12:32pm
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Guys,

I have successfully repaired several stocks using various superglues & epoxy-type adhesives, but have never tried Acraglas.  I plan on using Acraglas as an adhesive & filler to repair a stock.  I’m assuming it can be stained or dyed after its cured and sanded.  Any suggestions or hints from you stock repair experts would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #1 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 2:10pm
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Wayne,

I've used the dye packets that come with the acraglass and the other colors that you can order separately, but have always added the dye while mixing the resin and hardener. 

Never tried to stain it after it set up, but please let us know how it works out.

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Reply #2 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 3:18pm
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Any stain on an epoxy will be just that...on top of the epoxy.  You'll need to do a thick, built up finish to protect it from wearing through, rather than an in-wood type finish.  It's best to experiment on scrap wood with your epoxy and dies to see what you can do to color the epoxy before you use it.  If the die paks in the Brownells kit don't match what you want, you can use pigment for acrylic paints, or pigment for fiberglas, to color the uncured epoxy.

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Reply #3 - Oct 29th, 2010 at 10:34pm
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David,

I hear you and I’m glad I ask.  I certainly agree with you concerning the other epoxy-type glues I've used, but for some reason that escapes me I was under the impression that Acraglas was a little different and would accept a stain better than other epoxies.  I guess my assumption was invalid.  I'll follow your suggestion and run a few test samples with die added during mixing.  Thanks.

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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 8:04am
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If you can hold out for a couple of weeks there is an excelent article in the next journal on useing epoxy to repair stocks by Dom Pisano. It is well writen with good step by step instructions and some good clear photos to help you get it right.

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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 8:35am
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Hi 40 Rod,

Based on the typical delay between my planning and execution, 2 weeks is no time at all.  I've got plenty of other projects to tackle including a 20' x 24' workshop for my gunsmithing equipment.  Nice and cool here in central Texas & great for working on a foundation.

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Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 10:14am
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I don't think that any of the epoxies will accept any kind of stain once cured and hardened.  That being said, I have used acraglass gel to repair a broken stock due to a little accident I had with a nice classic styled hagen stock.  I found out the hard way that the steel but place was not all that strong or rigid when the stock sniped and hit the floor. When it hit the toe of the stock, about 1/4 thick, just up and departed. Luckily I was able to find the missing part and mixed up a little of the gel and stained it as close as I could to match the stock. I was able to get it all back together with just a very fine glue line and unless you look real close and know where to look you will never see the repair. 
As for the dye I used, I have used both the little packet that comes with the kit as well as mixed in some regular wood stain, both seem to work well. Just go slow and add a little at a time and mix well till you get the color you need.
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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 12:12pm
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If the stain you used is "spirit based" rather than water or oil, you should be ok.  Experiment first!   Wink  Spirit (solvent) stains will probably increase cure time for the epoxy, as the solvent has to evaporate from the mixture.  Oil & water stains will just make a mess!   

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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 1:47pm
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To stain Acraglas, I've always used the dust from sanding walnut stocks.  Just keep adding very small amounts until you get the correct color.
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2010 at 4:04pm
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When you mix anything with the acraglass to approach the true color of the stock be sure to err to the light side as the repair will always be darker than the rest of the stock....................gary
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 31st, 2010 at 12:53pm
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Good timing on this thread. I was just starting. Feel the price of Acuraglas kits is getting out of line, so did some experimenting. Found the unfilled, slow setting name brand hardware store epoxys work as well and can't tell the difference . Marine resins might be even better. 

Used some left over high density marine epoxy filler in place of flock.  One can is more than enough for a lifetime. I like the sawdust idea.  

Could not find Acrylic paint tinting colors but Acrylic artist colors work and do not seem to affect the cure. Good selection of colors. Also tried powered Rit fabric dye, works as well but is slow to dissolve in the epoxy. Takes a lot of mixing. 
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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #11 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 8:30pm
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40_Rod wrote on Oct 30th, 2010 at 8:04am:
Texasmac
If you can hold out for a couple of weeks there is an excelent article in the next journal on useing epoxy to repair stocks by Dom Pisano. It is well writen with good step by step instructions and some good clear photos to help you get it right.
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Hello 40 Rod,

I waited and the latest edition (Vol 63 # 6) arrived with no such article.

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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 8:03am
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I am sorry
It ran in September / October 2010. Sometimes when you are juggling 3 different issues in your head you get confused. I got one I'm writing, One in the pipeline and one I'm doing payroll for. I am sorry that I made you wait, but the article is a good one done by highly regarded stockmaker Dom Pisano. Its worth the read. Again let me apologise for the inconvenience.

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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 11:52am
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Hi 40 Rod,

No Problem.  I didn't have time to tackle the damaged stock anyway.  And I do have the Sept./Oct. edition, so I'll read Dominick Pisano's article closely prior to starting the repairs.  Thanks.

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Re: Dying/staining Acraglas for stock repairs
Reply #14 - Nov 23rd, 2010 at 2:38pm
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I had a similiar problem to that of nuclearcricket on a pre-war Mauser sporter. The stock had some fine black grain lines so I mixed black stain ino the acraglas to get a good dark color. Once set, it looked to all but the most critical eye to be a grain line.

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