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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Help needed Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	I am trying to establish the value of a "Mint" Stevens Armory 414 in .22 Cal. Can someone give me a value to place on this rifle? contact me at chknspit@cox.net for more pictures or I will post at picturetrail.com
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Joel Black Full Member Offline Posts: 165 Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2010	Re: Help needed Reply #1 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 2:31pm	Print Post
	I'm afraid "mint" would not be an accurate description since is has a replaced stock.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #2 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	I will be glad to re-install the original stock and forearm (see photos)and post another pic if necessary. Don G


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Help needed Reply #3 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	That pack-hardened receiver does look purty though.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11537 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Help needed Reply #4 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Is that the rifle John Taylor welded the tangs back on? Looks nice! Joe.

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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #5 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	Absolutely Not!!!! I have been away from this forum for a long time, (Medical reasons), and am going to try and sell all my "Stuff". To be honest. I am having trouble trying to determine the value of a bunch of it. As an example, I have a "T" series 9mm Hi-power that I bought New in 1967 from Art Mashburn at Mashburn Arms in OKC that has never been fired that I paid 104.00 for. The prices I see are from 600.00 to 2250.00. Now what ?? Stevens 414's seem to run in the 450.00 to 600.00 range that are not even close to the condition of this rifle. I would just like a couple of good estimates. Don G


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Help needed Reply #6 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 9:49pm	Print Post
	Hard to say without more pictures and more info. Stock looks like it has been refinished with something hi gloss. Mine are not that shiny. Blueing also could be excellent original or reblue. Does it have the original rear sight. These are tough to find. Could be anywhere from $500 to $1500. Just my guess.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #7 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	Thanks I will post some good photos tomorrow. I will assure you the rifle has not been re-blued. the bore is excellent. Yes it has the Stevens rear sight but can't be sure if it is orginal to the gun. I still have the 414 that John fixed the tang for. Don G


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BP Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 8039 Location: Westside Joined: Aug 27^th, 2006	Re: Help needed Reply #8 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	Don, Could you include a picture of the left side of the receiver? Thanks, BP

	There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading, the few who learn by observation, and the rest who have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves. Proud Noodlehead
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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #9 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 10:49am	Print Post
	Please go to (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) and click on Album "Stevens Armory 414 Mint" to see some photos I took this morning. There are also some pictures of this same rifle in some of the other albums. Thanks Don G


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 300 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: Help needed Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	The case hardening on the receiver is not original.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	Do you mind explaining your reasoning for this opinion?? I am open to your deduction. Don G


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jimmy Senior Forum Member Offline Now available in Oklahoma. Posts: 300 Location: Skiatook Joined: May 12^th, 2009	Re: Help needed Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	I may be wrong. Do the later savage made have this kind of case hardening? I'm a little under the weather. Kind of jumped out of the stall before I was sure. I based my opinion of earlier Stevens case hardening. This gun does not have the fish scale type of case hardening. Sorry if I was wrong.


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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Help needed Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	How about that fore end, that's not original, have you got the original?Otherwise , nice rifle. MIKE


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #14 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	Jimmy I have 4 of them and a couple of 44's, they all have the same type of case harding, a couple certainly much more intense than the others. This one is is the best I have ever seen and I have been around for a little while. As a second question, who on this forum is regarded as the "Guru" of Stevens rifles? Don G


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #15 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:52pm	Print Post
	Mad Mike I am convinced that I have confused some. I am left handed and as a result re-stock for convenience to me. I will put the rifle back together with the original butt-stock and forearm and take some more pictures with it assembled the way it was when I got it. The original butt stock and forearm are shown as loose items. I just assumed two and two would be put together. Bad assumption on my part. Don G


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Help needed Reply #16 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	Saw the pictures of the 417. Wouldn't have a spare butlplate and/or sling swivels?


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: Help needed Reply #17 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	I probably have as many Stevens as anyone here but do not consider myself an expert buy any means. Case color looks right to me. Stock finish looks a little on the shiney side but could be correct. The more I learn about the Stevens guns, the less I think I actualy know.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #18 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	Slumlord 44 Ditto to that. That 417 came home as a basketcase. The stock was pitiful. Seems like it did have a sling swivel as I recall with a siding stop on the forearm. I will look and see what I can come up with. It needed to be restocked period, "Right or Left". Don G


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ACGould Full Member Offline Posts: 138 Location: Central San Joaquin Valley Joined: Sep 3^rd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #19 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	After 1920 when Savage took over Stevens, production of both the Ideal Rifle (44 Action) and the 414 were continued until about 1932. I have an Ideal in 22LR in about 95% condition that was made during that time period and it shows the later style case color, the same as in your 414. I also have a pre-WWI Model 47 (44 1/2 Action) that was originally ordered with fancy checkered wood. It was returned to Stevens after 1920 and fitted with a heavy round 22LR barrel. At the same time, a new matching forearm was fitted and the receiver was re-case colored in the later style. The barrel was numbered to the receiver and has the later style Stevens stamp used after 1920. Since the 414 was made both before and after 1920, it is reasonably safe to assume that they will be found with both the later "pack hardened" color used by Savage and the cynaide process used by Stevens prior to WWI. Leon


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contrary_kid Ex Member	Re: Help needed Reply #20 - Oct 26^th, 2010 at 10:47am	Print Post
	I also have a very mint 414 with the original rear sight ( sorry can not post pictures, too computer dumb & no camera) that I got a couple of years ago from Gary Quinlan. Since I also am left handed, if your left handed stocks do not go with your 414 when it sell, let me know, I might be interested. Any other left handed stocks for sale ? Thanx


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #21 - Oct 26^th, 2010 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Are you looking for something in particular? I have restocked several for my self always keep the originals as they were removed. I know I have a couple but would just have to look. Don G


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contrary_kid Ex Member	Re: Help needed Reply #22 - Oct 28^th, 2010 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	Smoke, I am not looking for anything in particular. It's just that my radar goes up whenever "Left Hand" shows up. Would still be interested in seeing what you might put up for sale.


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contrary_kid Ex Member	Re: Help needed Reply #23 - Oct 31^st, 2010 at 9:56am	Print Post
	Smoke, On second thought, I am looking for a lefthand stock and matching fore end for a BSA Martini 12/15.


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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #24 - Nov 5^th, 2010 at 10:53am	Print Post
	For those intrested, I made a "Boo-Boo". I decided to remove the shiney finish in favor of a simple oil finish. Bad decision. As it turns out the shiney finish was the original. The Stevens factory had put some kind of filler on the two pieces of wood to try and match the color. As it turns out the color of the two pieces of wood is completely different, the forearm is much darker than the stock. I decided to make a new forearm out of a piece of Walnut much lighter so they would match as close as possible. The pictures show the new forearm at this point but is not finished yet but willl give the idea of what I have in mind. Yes, from a collector point of view yada yada yada. But who wants two totally different pieces of walnut on a rifle? Don G
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smoke810 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 260 Location: N.E. Oklahoma Joined: May 22^nd, 2004	Re: Help needed Reply #25 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Up to date pictures


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MAD MIKE Oldtimer Offline Posts: 655 Location: So Cal Joined: Oct 31^st, 2006	Re: Help needed Reply #26 - Nov 7^th, 2010 at 6:46pm	Print Post
	Color's not that bad, put a coat of wax on it or rub some Tru-Oil in it, depending on how much shine you want. I like it. I would just wax it. assuming you used no more than 0000 steel wool to dull it. Good luck,,,,, ...MIKE...


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