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Low Wall in .219 Zipper Improved - What Say You?
Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:57pm
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Looked today at a Winchester Low Wall with a 27 inch barely tapered heavy barrel that said .218 Bee and a chamber that the owner informs me is a .219 Zipper Improved.  The stocks are varmint/bench rest non-originals, the barrel has Unertl style bases with a Redfield Model 3200 16X which still has the scope caps and also comes with a sun shade.   

I'm leery of shooting something as hot as the .219 Zipper Improved in a Low Wall action.  Since nothing is original but the action, and the scope is worth about 60% of the asking price, I'm thinking about taking a chance and either lining the barrel back to .218 Bee or re-barreling to something appropriate to the Low Wall action.

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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:13pm
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I think that would be a wise move on your part.   

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Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 11:17pm
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I'd pay up to $450 for the action plus what you thought the scope was worth, and rebarrel to a more appropriate action.  .219 zipper is definitely too much for a low wall, much less an improved version.   

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Reply #3 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 5:59am
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If the bore is good, and its a quality barrel, could you just drill out and reline the chamber itself, and recut it for the 218. I have heard of that being done.  It might save some time and effort---maybe even some $$
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 12:46pm
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If you reline the chamber, you'll have about .700 of freebore for that little 218 and close to 1/3 what it will cost to rebarrel it. That barrel will fit small thread Hi Walls so, it will still have a value to resale and get some of your money back.

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 5:04pm
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Frank:

I didn't know that.  I'll bet if I bundled the barrel, dies and brass there'd be a taker.   

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Reply #6 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 11:54am
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I really need to look more closely at what I'm buying when I describe it seeking assistance.  I was so eager to get the scope that I accepted the seller's description as being accurate and didn't focus on the action.  When I picked it up last night, I took it out of the case he'd included to wipe it down and discovered, much to my amazement, that the Low Wall is a High Wall.  So, no need to strip the barrel from the action or line it.  I will need to get the barrel re-marked to reflect the current chambering and I'm going to need to anneal some of those cases and fireform them.  And I'm going to have to leave the scope on the rifle or replace it with a Unertl or Lyman Targetspot. 

The seller included both .219 Zipper and .219 Zipper Improved dies, both RCBS, plus four of the MTM hinged cartridge boxes that hold 50 rounds and about 150 rounds of .30-30 brass necked down to .219 Zipper, but not annealed.  Since he reported splitting cases at the shoulder when fireforming, I guess I'll have to try annealing them first.  Is there a source for the proper technique to do this?

Serial number on the tang is 27xx.  Any idea what that might indicate as a year of manufacture?

  
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Reply #7 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 2:26pm
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I'm glad it work out well for you.

If the number were 2750 it would have been made in 1886.

The old way to anneal is to stand them in a pan of water covering well above the head. Heat the neck and in your case the shoulder untill barely red hot and then tip them over into the water.

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Reply #8 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 3:42pm
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Rem from LW to HW. Smiley even a blind squirrel finds or ends up with a acorn one in awhile. Smiley Whitey
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 4:54pm
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Whitey:

I'm the blindest squirrel in the woods.  You could have knocked me over with a feather when I realized what I'd bought.

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Reply #10 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 1:16pm
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fire up your lead pot.  hold the cases in the lead until the case almost burns your fingers.  Quench or let cool.
I have a 40-degree Zipper in an FN Mauser.  It's a pretty hot 22 if you lean on the powder can a little.

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Reply #11 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 8:19am
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I used to have a Zipper barrel for my CPA.  Never lost a case forming or fireforming. However regular Zipper is not the Improved Zipper.

Way I anneal is to put a propane torch on the bench. Cut the shop lights out and hold the case in the flame. Dark room lets me see the color very well and get even heat all the way around. Get the right shade I drop the case in a bucket of water on the floor.

Right color ? it's up to you, necks I don't get them very hot.  I was always told to anneal necks but stay away from the body, go too soft it may cause a problem.

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Reply #12 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 11:56am
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I anneal using a simple tool on a cordless drill.  The tool is a copper pipe cap that I drilled a hole in the center of.  I put a machine screw through that with a nut tightened up agains the cap.  The machine screw is the shank I chuck up into the cordless drill.  I have a propane tourch on the bench (fat cylinder).  I just put the case in the copper cap and rotate it in the flame until it I think it's right and dump in water.

I use a 3/4 cap for 577-450 Martini so you will probably need something smaller.  You can make it even smaller by inserting a piece of copper tube in the cap to act as a bushing.  If you need more depth to support the case, just make the tube longer.  You may want to peen them together with a center punch so the parts don't get separated.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 6:24pm
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The difference in holding cases in your fingers vs a jig is how far down you anneal.  Necks only the base does not get hot in the time it takes to get a nice anneal.  If you are going down to the neck a jig is probably required.

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