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stevens model 44 replacement screws
Aug 15th, 2010 at 9:28pm
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i was wondering if anyone makes replacement screws for the stevens model 44. joe gifford  aka argie1891
  

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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:59pm
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Joe,

You might give these folks a call;

Idaho’s Cutting Edge
2699 W 2000 S
Aberdeen, ID 83210-1922 
Phone: (208) 397-4204

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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:57pm
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thanks for the reply i will contact them. i have a model 44 that john taylor converted from 25 rim fire to 25-20. he did i wonderful job and now i have decided that i like this little rifle so much i am going to go all the way.. restock blue add a tang sight and globe frount. i now have a remington 11mm spanish, 2 martini cadets and this model 44 in old single shots. you only have to handle them to love them. and add shooting and reloading for them and it opens up a whole world of good clean fun. joe gifford aka argie1891
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 7:40am
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  Joe,

  Are you in need of pivot screws, as they were used in the very early version of the Model - 44 ?  They entered the left side wall of the action (there were two used, one for the pivot point of the block and the second for the pivot point of the finger lever) and they screwed into the female thread in the right side wall of the action.

  The second arrangement used what J. Stevens termed a " pivot bolt " with a corresponding retaining screw.  The pivot bolts, of which there were two, also entered the left side frame wall passed through the block (or the finger lever pivot point) and were held in place by the small retaining screw which screwed into the female thread of the pivot bolt, being inserted from the right hand side of the action.

  I was wondering which of the two above mentioned arrangements you might be working with.  The pivot bolts are hardened and often times are quite brittle.  For instance, if one were to drop the bolt to the floor they will shatter at the point of impact.  On the other hand, if one attempts to rotate the the pivot bolt with a screw driver while the bolt is in the frame wall (they will not rotate in that position for reasons I won't discuss now) and when enough torque is applied the most likely result will be the bolt head will shear 1/2 of the head.

If either of these two common occurrences has happened in your situation, the damage may be corrected by one skilled in welding and shaping.

Perhaps if you will explain the problem that you are concerned with, there may be other advice that would negate having to purchase replacement parts, whether they be pivot screws or pivot bolts.

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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 9:08am
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I think this was the later one with the pins in from the wrong side. Boy my memory is getting bad but I see one of these action about every two weeks.
A word of caution on the 44, I have seen many in center fire that are being loaded to hot. There's probably a few books out there with loads for the 25-20 SS that are not safe. While the Winchester 92 can be loaded a little hotter on the 25 and 32 because it is a stronger action, the 44 Stevens is not all that strong. I have seen a few of the 44's in 38-55 with the special hammer that was supposed to hold the the block closed. they were all battered so bad that I did not consider them safe. Apparently Stevens did not consider them safe also because they didn't make very many.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 7:08pm
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I was just wanting to replace the screws that had been buggered up by previous owner. the rifle is tight and in good shape and i will not load anything over very mild loads. I have a copy of Sharps book form the 1930's or so and it lists loads with unique and 2400 that develope pressures of 10 to 12k pressure. all i will be doing is making holes in paper and taking a sage rat once in a whiile. I would reall not want to losen up a nice rifle by loading it too hot. I can just take the screws out and polish and recut.   and i dont know if i spelled phil sharps name correctly. i cant type or spell and some say i cant shoot. but the latter are full of it. joe gifford aka argie1891
  

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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2010 at 10:24pm
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Just want to add a comment  on what you can and can't do  with a 44 action. Saw one at gun show Sat that had been rebarreled to 218 Bee. My advice to dealer who was considering buying it was too pass. Too much cartridge for the action. Guy wanted $500 for plain jane 44, brown gun, with unmarked plain round barrel with no sights. Not something I would want to buy.
  
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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 12:47am
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the blr on my model 44 is marked 25 rimfire. i think it might be a good idea to mark it 25-20 for low pressure only. i dont need the warning but someday someone else will own it. i am kinda a wimp anyway i have a 458 win mag. i call it my 45-90 belted expres rifle. i load it like it was a 45-70 or 45-90 black power rifle. if i wanted to punish myself i would just punch my wife a couple times. then she would beat the hell out of me and i wouldnt need any more punishment for a long time. joe gifford aka argie1891
  

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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 2:27am
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Joe;
Welcome.
Off the subject I have the .735 RB mold in the truck.
I'll be out of town Tuesday.  Maybe I can get it to you on Wednesday.

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Reply #9 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 2:46am
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cool my number is in the book if you dont have it. joe
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 7:18am
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  Joe:

     I have a number of J.Stevens M-44 rifles, one is pristine and the others are being restored.

    It is quite common to see the two pivot bolts, plus the retaining screws, with the heads either chipped out or the slots messed up.  I simply remove the problem pieces, take them to my gunsmith friend, and he will weld them as necessary to replace metal while I wait.

   From there, it's a simple matter of filing the heads back to their original contour.  Be sure you have a proper "screw head file" (available from Brownells Corp.) with which to restore the slots.  Don't forget to get the screw head diameter correct, as both sides are recessed into the action wall.  Next a treatment of cold blue and you're done.

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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #11 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 11:58am
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thanks i was going to re- do them but hadnt thought of welding. that would make them perfect ( if i did my job correctly ) that is a great idea and one that i can do. joe gifford aka argie1891
  

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Re: stevens model 44 replacement screws
Reply #12 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 8:04pm
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Just looked at 44 that had been chambered 25-20SS and someone opened it up to 25-35. Don't know how many times it was fired but the breach block is broken. That's going from a bolt thrust of around 1,250 pounds up to around 6,450 pounds. That's over 5 times the amount of the  original chambering.
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 8:13pm
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   John ;

     Lets all be thankful that the rifle owner was not injured and he is still with us, and was able to get the rifle to you.    Smiley

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Reply #14 - Aug 17th, 2010 at 10:20pm
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I believe the new owner bought the rifle in this condition. He had already found a replacement breach block for it. It will get relined back to 25-20 and the frame is going to be magnafluxed.
  

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