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Field Action, Again
Aug 9th, 2010 at 3:02pm
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Thinking about a winter project.  Looking at a picture of a Field Patent falling block action in Greener, “The Gun and Its Development”, page 714 and the patent drawing posted earlier.  I have never seen one but it looks like a fairly simple action with a lot of merits. The two piece extractor is interesting.

From the pictures, it appears if the action were cocked and turned upside down; the breech block could fall out. I am sure that is not the case. What am I missing?  Is this why the hammer protrudes into the breech block?

Is there a book that covers the Field action? Any other action suggestions?
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Reply #1 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 4:21pm
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There's a spring on the left side of the action that fits into a detent in the block and holds it in place.  It's the little oval shaped bar that is screwed onto the left side of the action, that from the outside looking at it has no apparent function.  It is actually a bar of spring steel, with a nub that goes through a hole in the action and engages a dimple in the block. 

I recently purchased a Fields rifle, took it apart, and I've built a 3d CAD solid model of the receiver, am going to get quotes on abrasive water jet and EDM cutting of it, to see if it's economical to reproduce it.  I'll wax cast the rest of the parts if I can get the receiver done.   

I'm kind of at a standstill at the moment, I originally scaled up the action slightly to take a bigger diameter and longer barrel shank and to have a bit more sidewall thickness.  When I went to draw up the rest of the pieces, I decided that it would be better to wax cast them than to CNC them.  But, I'll have to mold them, make wax model parts, cut them up and reform to the new size, and then cast them, fit, add material to account for shrinkage, and mold again.

I'm thinking about doing a straight reproduction instead, and just increase the receiver ring and maybe the action wall thickness, and rebate the bottom of the action to take the original floor plate.  Will still have to modify the lever shaft and a couple of the internal parts, but not as much as before.   

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Reply #2 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 7:29pm
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Dave emailed you some pictures of my fields. Whitey
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2010 at 7:29pm
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As I'm sure I mention before the Field drop block is my favorite of all the English single shots. I love the Soper for the way it transfers little effort into smoothly rotating the breech block, but truth be told, its missing the aesthetic appeal of the Field.
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 10:17pm
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Dave,--Thank you, that explains the breech block. Know very little about investment casting, but would guess there is a standard shrinkage calculation(including the wax and ceramic mold) you could apply to the 3D model to make patterns. Sounds like a very ambitious project. The only part that looks really tough is the fork that lowers the breech block.

Whitey,--Will talk later, had forgotten you have a Field. 

Joel,-- Thanks for the confirmation that the Field is probably worth doing. 
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 10:34pm
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Here's pictures of Whiteys Fields Rifle (martini type) and mine (falling block).  Interesting but logical that he would apply the side lever to both a falling block and a swinging block.

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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 9:33pm
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Dave,
Good pictures, Thanks. They answer several questions including the extractor.  Don't you wish that old rifle could talk. 

Nice rifle from Whitey. He is not that far away. I may try to get over to look at it.
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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:21pm
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Chuck you better hurry I am thinking about putting it on the market. I have got all wrapped up in Double rifles etc. At least for awhile. smile Whitey
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 7:31am
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I am thinking about putting it on the market.  smile Whitey


   Whitey, what chambering is that very nice looker ?  Can you say a few words about the bore ?

   You know, I'll be driving right past your town (O.K. place) in about a months time on my way to Colorado.

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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 9:47am
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CM when I got the rifle it had been built originally for a 22LR with a UGLY IMO full length Rib on the barrel with a bad bore and a British style competition style stock. Now has a new med weight McGowan 22LR barrel and a new stock.smile Been done about a year now.BUT still have not shot it. smile Whitey
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2010 at 9:25pm
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Here are some pictures of a Field's Patent Model 1877 falling block rifle that I used to own, which was finished and sold by Holland & Holland circa 1885.  I understand that Greener actually made the actions, which they furnished to Holland's in the white, who then added a few proprietary features and completed them.  The H&H version had an integral tang with sliding safety that extended back over the comb, and also a swinging locking lever on the right side that supposedly prevented the breach lever from accidentally opening (a silly idea IMHO).  This particular example had unfortunately been re-barreled to .30 WCF and fitted with a new forend somewhere along the way, but was all original from the action back.   

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Peconga in Boise, Idaho

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Reply #11 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 5:25am
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Dave, I'm pretty interested - however, I would propose 1 small change:  a separate trigger return spring - both easier to do, and that would avoid putting too much stress on the trigger pivot screw.
For the rest, the Field is a brilliant design, extremely robust and simple.
BTW, the actions were made by Field, and sold to "the Trade" - including Greener, H&H etc.
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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:52am
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Are you sure Field actually made the actions? I have seen some evidence that they were made by W. C. Scott.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2010 at 1:21pm
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I'll have to check my references, but yes - I thought so.  Not all that much were actually made either.
  
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