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Liner or re-barrel?
Jul 18th, 2010 at 12:47pm
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Will a 22 liner be as accurate as a new replacement barrel?

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Re: Liner or re-barrel?
Reply #1 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 2:55pm
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In my opinion a high quality liner installed by a competent gunsmith will be as accurate or more accurate than a new barrel. John Taylor, who is usualy on this website, does quality work and is great to deal with.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 4:47pm
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   as accurate as a new replacement barrel? 
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  The word " accurate " is a relative term, since what is considered as being accurate by one shooter, may be quite another thing to a second shooter.

The premium 22 R.F. liners being installed and used today is a product obtained from T.J.'s Enterprises and they are hammer forged state of the art.  There are less expensive liners available, but the quality is not what is to be found in a T J's liner.

The resulting accuracy is obtained contingent upon the quality of the installation, i.e., the skill and experience of the smith doing the installation.  My advice is to seek out a true barrel smith, the one that comes to mind is Mr. John Taylor who entered his appearance in the posting pertaining to the adhesive used for liner installations.

If you are contemplating re-working a period rifle, it's an advantage to keep the original profile, along with the original factory roll stamping for authenticity reasons, so re-line not re-barrel.

Bottom line, I would need to know more as to what rifle you are speaking about, is the action safe, and the type of shooting you are contemplating, and the degree of accuracy you are seeking to achieve.  What degree of M.O.A. and at what distance ?

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Re: Liner or re-barrel?
Reply #3 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 10:32pm
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I can't speak from gunsmithing experience, but Martini .22s routinely had Parker rifle barrel liners installed when the bores went in the original barrel.  I've owned a couple, both of which were minute of angle or less shooters at 50 yards with decent ammo and iron sights.  I have one now that has a scope base fitted to it and if I ever get around to putting a decent scope on it, I'll tell you how much better it did with the scope over the existing iron sights (standard Parker Hale front and rear).  I'd bet a serious chunk of my retirement money that the liners being manufactured and installed today are far superior to the Parkers.
  
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Re: Liner or re-barrel?
Reply #4 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 11:54pm
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I have it on good authority that many of the BSA Martini rifles were new when the Parker Hale liners were installed. They were very good liners and if I remember the story correctly were a bit smaller than the BSA barrels. I will ask a friend that was a small bore shooter in England in the 1950's for n=more detail as he had several rifles relined when he was shooting while in school in London.
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2010 at 9:21pm
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Thank you gentlemen for your answers and observations.

As far as accuracy goes I would like to hold 6" at 300 yards, of course on a very calm day.  Wink

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Re: Liner or re-barrel?
Reply #6 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 10:29am
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I cant think of one shooter using a liner in .22 competition at this time. Not one.  Huh

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Reply #7 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 11:04am
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   I can't think of one shooter using a .22 in competition at 300 yards at this time.   Huh  No, not one.   

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Reply #8 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 11:20am
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  I can't think of one shooter using a .22 in competition at 300 yards at this time.


That doesn't mean that there aren't any !  I just don't know of any, not one.

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Reply #9 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 8:37pm
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At my club they have what is call a Buffalo League. They shoot metallic knockdown buffalo silhouette’s with .22 rimfire at 300 yards. It is my understanding you get to learn a little about wind.  Smiley
I have been thinking about giving it a try.

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Reply #10 - Jul 20th, 2010 at 10:12pm
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John,
Where is your club located and do they have a web page with info on the Buffalo League ?
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 5:51am
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Located just west of Oconomowoc, off Highway F in Sullivan, Wisconsin,
Here is a link to the website (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); Just click on "Buffalo Runners" down by the calendar for more information.

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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 7:53am
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    They shoot metallic knockdown buffalo silhouette’s with .22 rim fire at 300 yards. It is my understanding you get to learn a little about wind.  Smiley John


     I am of the opinion that starting to learn how to read the implication of wind forces on a .22 R.F. projectile at 300 yards distance would be an exercise in futility.

     Prudence guides me to believe that starting at 25 yards, advancing to 50 yards , and so forth would be certainly more instructional, productive and less frustrating that putting a 40 grain .22 Cal bullet out at 300 yards.  I have to assume that the folks who shoot in your clubs buffalo matches are most likely highly skilled with the 22 R.F.

    I asked the question earlier regarding the issue of whether or not to install a liner or to replace the barrel, which was; what type of shooting do you intend for the project rifle ?  Now that I know you wish to shoot it at 300 yards, I would suggest that the question is rendered moot.
  
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Re: Liner or re-barrel?
Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 8:58am
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What kind of scores are posted on this match. Having lived in Wisconsin, when young, it sounds like something they would do where first one who gets lucky enough to even hit a target wins beer for the night. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:10pm
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I personally have not shot in this competition. Although to me it sounds like a very good time, and after all isn't that what it's all about? 

So all I can do is give a short quote from the website. 
"Many people think a .22 cannot be shot accurately at 300 yards. This is horse feathers we have run 7 or 8 straight a number of times."

Best wishes to all, John
  
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