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Gun_Smith
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Barrel liner "glue"?
Jul 17th, 2010 at 4:50pm
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Can anyone recommend what type of Locktite to use for a .22 rimfire barrel liner? In the past I have used Acraglass. Locktite sounds easier to use: no mixing.

All suggestions will be most appreciated. Thanks! Joe  Smiley
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 8:17pm
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  Gun Smith;

            There was a time when rifle barrel liners were soldered in place, but that is passe for sure.  One consideration is whether or not you plan to hot blue the barrel after the liner is in place.  If you do desire to hot blue, then the adhesive of choice would be Agraglas, a proprietary product of the Brownells Company.

    If hot bluing temperatures are not expected, then Loctite Green Sleeve retainer will suit the purpose.

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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #2 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 10:40pm
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Can anyone recommend what type of Locktite to use for a .22 rimfire barrel liner? In the past I have used Acraglass. Locktite sounds easier to use: no mixing.

All suggestions will be most appreciated. Thanks! Joe  Smiley


Locktite will respond directly to your question - an engineer will give you LOCTITE's recommendation.  Hmmmm.  They are in the business - ask them!
  

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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #3 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 10:48pm
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I think that #635 is what is commonly used. High heat resistance (will withstand hot bluing) and it fills larger gaps. It is their HT green sleeve retaining compound.

Ed
  
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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2010 at 11:32pm
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JB Weld is about as good as anything and better than most for barrel liners. It is good for 600*F and chemical resistant. I haven't exposed it to hot bluing, but see no reason it would cause a problem. It is cheaper and easier to get than either LocTite or Acraglass.
  

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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #5 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 6:47am
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John Taylor who posts on this board uses Loctite to secure liners. Maybe he will chime in with a recommendation.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 6:56am
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The red Loctite threadlocker, I forget the numbers, since there are many, takes heat in the area of 900 degrees to release.
Some of the other will take up to 1200 and up to release.
On the Loctite web site it will give all the information needed for use, and the swell rate and the amount of heat each will tolerate.

Most folks will be amazed the strength these adhesives will provide.
Most will easily hold any liner in any re-line job.

No reason to even think of soldering any more, I helped do it once, and that was way to many times.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 7:15am
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It is cheaper and easier to get than either LocTite or Acraglass.


If you don't stock either Loc-Tite or Agraglas as a routine supply to have on hand, either or both may be ordered with a telephone call to the Brownells Co. and you can have it the next day.  What could be easier ?  Perhaps a drive to Wal-Mart or Lowes for J.B. Weld if you like those kinds of places.

Cheaper ?  I don't ever use J.B. Weld, I wouldn't know.  It's cheaper for a reason, wouldn't you agree ?  Brownells is operated for and by gunsmiths, which means something to me.


P.S.  We haven't heard from 38-Cal, he's the expert I would confer with if you don't have a clue about glue !  (Sorry, I couldn't help myself there)

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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #8 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 9:38am
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I have been using Loctite 262 on liners for many years. I notice now they have a whole lot of different types that may be better. I have never had a liner come loose and even tried to remove some when I made a mistake, had to drill them out, heat had no effect. The 262 will hold up in hot tank blue. I think the fit is very important and try for .002" clearance using reamers to get as close as possible. I have one lathe dedicated to reaming barrels and make most of my own reamers. The reamers have cutting oil pumped through them to flush the chips out, same setup I use for rebores. The liners I use come from T.J.'s which I believe has the largest selection and the best hammer forged liner.
When installing coat the inside of the barrel and the outside of the liner. I end up wasting more than is needed. I clean both parts with break clean before applying the loctite. I bevel the end of the liner to help spread the loctite in the barrel. Next, run a patch through the liner. You don't want any loctite in the bore, once it is hard it don't like to come out. Any heat will start the set quicker, cutting the ends off with a hacksaw is enough heat to start locking them in place, probably do to the close fit. If you want to know how to hide the liner at the muzzle you will need to e-mail me and ask.
  

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Re: Barrel liner "glue"?
Reply #9 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 3:54pm
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I do keep a supply of LocTite on hand for general work. Accraglass is, IMHO, overpriced for what it is for general use. The main advantage of Accraglass is that it combines all the needed components for glass bedding in a convenient kit. 

JB Weld is a good product that is stocked in most hardware and big box stores, I can have it in about 15 minutes in a normal work day for about $6.00. Loctite takes longer and costs more, Accraglass even longer and is considerably more expensive. JB Weld is more economical due to the quantities manufactured and sold, not because it is an inferior product.

John Taylor's precision in relining is a step farther than what would be required for the occasional relining of a 22. If doing work at that level, I would certainly recommend Loc Tite.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 18th, 2010 at 5:54pm
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Thanks for all the ideas gentlemen. Locktite it shall be!

I must say that I use JB weld a lot in my shop. Nothing cheap about it at all, and a fine quality product indeed. The JB Quick style is especially nice for making barrel bushings, as it sets up fast. I have all kinds of epoxy's, and JB gets the nod for many jobs. 

Safe and happy shooting! Joe Cool
  
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