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Jul 12th, 2010 at 3:32pm
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Question for the more learned .
I have a rolling block #2 in 22 long rifle that is all original . Problem is the bore is terrible , the exterior shows age , but no cracks/abuse . Wood is dark almost black and the metal has the dark patina . You can read all the lettering and numbers .
I'm having the barrel relined so I can shoot it .
Option 1 - Send it off and have it restored to look like it just walked out of the Remington factory ?
Option 2 - Leave it as is and shoot it ?
Money spent is not a factor in this quandery .
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 4:22pm
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pulaski,

Just my opinion here but I'd take it to someone with a very good reputation for firearms restoration and have them look at it closely before making my decision.

You write that the lettering is readable, but that you also have dark patina. A question arises in that would the metal removal required to eliminate the patina and possible pitting lying underneath end up leaving the lettering faint and/or unreadable, then requiring a skillful and patient engraver to chase/recut the lettering to bring it back properly

  

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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 5:06pm
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It's a personal call but I like the good restorations, and think most of the restored rifles  you see would have been better left alone.

Money no object can cut two ways, old Colt Single actions and Winchester Lever guns have a ready market restored. Restored RB rimfire is still a RB Rimfire and not going to bring a lot of money if re-sold.  I thought about a good job on Original Ballard one time and all up cost for a proper job was more than a Reproduction Ballard with all the desired options.  The Ballard might have been a good investment but it was a better one sold off  as is with the money toward a new CPA

Like BP I think I would get a good expert opinion from somebody who has done restoration work and look at some of there completed jobs.

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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 7:38pm
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I paid $500 for a beautifully restored No 2. A number of years later, I struggled to get that much out of it. Still No 2s are my favorite of all the standard rolling blocks.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 7:53pm
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As Boats and Joel said I personly like the #2's and have several BIMO. Unless this one has some special meaning to you just enjoy. As to being orginal with the reline that's gone So now you just got a real nice rifle no matter what you do.So just enjoy it.
AS to cost here is a example. I have a friend who has a orginal Stevens Sid Plate with DST and a Pope barrel that even has a little engraving.And a mint bore.And I can get it right. And am pretty sure I will. But when I checked with a couple top restores for a estimate for not much work. Whew !!!!!. So if I get it I will  not restore it as money to me is improtan. Smiley And no dis respect meant. Whitey
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 9:29pm
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   Steve,

   I would like to be helpful, but you've thrown up a fly ball and everyone wants to catch it.

  I would have to know more about you, and what your goals are ?Are you a gun collector ?  You've placed this inquire under the Collector's Column, but that could be due to your unfamiliarity with the site.

 However, you say you want to shoot this new acquisition ?  What type of shooting do you plan to participate it ?  Is it shooting tin cans with 22 shorts in the back acres of grandpa's farm, or is it more in the nature of competitive shooting such as most of us here do ?

If you will permit me, and since you say money is no object to you, what are your reasons for purchasing (if you did) a #2 Remington rolling block in the first instance ?  Maybe you found it in the woods !  Perhaps it came to you in a family member's estate.  You have an inexpensive rifle in the realm of competitive shooting.  Have you ever shot competitively prior to this time ?

These are not abstract questions, and I do understand that you probably will not want to answer them, but if you are serious, which I have no reason to believe that you're not, then these are the sorts of things you should be asking your self.  First define what you want this rifle to be.  Once that is established, hopefully we will be able to give you guidance on how to get there.

I do believe that you have over estimated the degree of difficulty which you have assigned to your inquire.  These projects do not require graduate degrees; but they do require clarity of thought as to what the personal objectives are for the owner of the piece.

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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:39pm
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My vote is to leave it as is with the re-line and shoot it. To me the interesting thing about old guns is that they are OLD guns. If I want a new gun I buy a new gun. To me a reline on a sewer pipe barrel is an improvement unless the gun is extremely rare or of some historical significance. Refinishing a stock that has been totally trashed is also not a bad idea in my opinion. I usually try my best to do careful clean up and minor touch up after correcting major function problems and leave it at that. Just my way of playing caretaker to these old guns.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:46pm
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creedmoormatch ,
To answer your questions 
My goals ? - I don't want to destroy something that others think should have been left as is 
Am I a gun collector ? - Not that I have a large collection but I had a room poured due to not enough room in safes
Type of shooting ? - I compete regularly at our local clubs (monthly) much of it is with muzzleloaders but I find as much pleasure in cartridge guns . Competition has been limited due to children/wife time , but the day is coming when they will not want to spend as much time with me (read as more shooting time)
Reason for purchase ? - I really like the rolling blocks . This is the sixth but is the only #2 . The others are #1's and Hepburns .
As far as shooting competitively . I think I would like to take this one out to our local 22 matches . They have an open sight class .
Hope this helps 
Thanks to all who have responded it is really helpfull.
Thanks , Steve
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 11:22pm
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Hello Steve:

  The bottom line is either way you go it is your rifle and you need to be happy with the end result. I have repaired and restored a number of #2 rollers. Converting some from 32 R.f. to 22 r.f. and others to center fire calibers. My personal is a 32 r.f. that was lined to 25-20 WCF and converted to center fire, I also replaced the action pins with new oversize ones to tighten up the action. Nothing else on the rifle was changed and it looks like most of the #2 rollers you run across. Several years ago I had a client that wanted his #2 upgraded and converted to 25-20 WCF also. This was a total restoration with upgraded wood and complete metal refinish. It was expensive but he ended up with exactly what he wanted. If you would like to see what can be done to dress up a #2 you can see photos of the finished project on my web site. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); I think I enjoy my rifle as much as the gentleman with the upgraded one. It is all in what you really want to have and what you desire.

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Reply #9 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:07am
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    Curt ,

        I just wanted to comment on the work that you've presented on your business web site, particularly the case coloring that was done on the Ruger No. 1 action.  It is particularly colorful and the mass of orange hues is so very attractive.

       I did not see that service offered on your price sheet,, and was wondering if you personally perform case coloring; or in the alternative, it is subcontracted out to someone else.

      If you wouldn't mind me asking, how long have you been in the gunsmithing/restoration business ?  Also, do you have experience working with 19th Century American revolvers ?

     Thanks for the opportunity to pre-view some of your work,

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Reply #10 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:14am
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Clean it up, line the barrel, pay attention to the trigger pull and function, perhaps add a nice period sight.   

Our club has a match for single shots that a Roller with good barrel and sights could win anytime.

Were are you at ?

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Reply #11 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 3:49pm
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Boats , I'm up north in Green Bay WI.
To all who have replied , Thank You !
I am going to have it completely restored to new . I'm fortunate in that I have a fellow club member and good friend who is an ingraver/die maker . He has assured me that he can reproduce the factory marking as they came from the factory . I've seen an old colt he had restored and you cannot tell that he has redone all the factory markings .(It is on par with Tunbull quality).
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Reply #12 - Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:35pm
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Show us pictures when it is done! Not what I would do with it but it should be a beautiful gun and a great shooter when you are done.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2010 at 7:31pm
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If you are going to restore it, then you'll want to rust blue the barrel, as hot blue will ruin the liner, or you'll want to restore first and then reline. Correct finish would be a rust blue on the barrel anyway.
#2 RB are fantastic little guns with lots of character and very strong actions. I love 'em!
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2010 at 2:21am
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pulaski wrote on Jul 12th, 2010 at 10:46pm:
creedmoormatch ,
To answer your questions 
My goals ? - I don't want to destroy something that others think should have been left as is 
Am I a gun collector ? - Not that I have a large collection but I had a room poured due to not enough room in safes
Type of shooting ? - I compete regularly at our local clubs (monthly) much of it is with muzzleloaders but I find as much pleasure in cartridge guns . Competition has been limited due to children/wife time , but the day is coming when they will not want to spend as much time with me (read as more shooting time)
Reason for purchase ? - I really like the rolling blocks . This is the sixth but is the only #2 . The others are #1's and Hepburns .
As far as shooting competitively . I think I would like to take this one out to our local 22 matches . They have an open sight class .
Hope this helps 
Thanks to all who have responded it is really helpfull.
Thanks , Steve


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