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Jun 22nd, 2010 at 12:55am
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It's in .450 express (3 1/4").  Shootable bore.  Works.  All original, unmessed with, no refinish on the wood, even original hook type swivel mounts.  I made one case for it, and it goes bang as it should.  Make a nice 219 zipper, eh?

Kind of like a hepburn without a full dose of the ugly.  And it cost me less than a similar condition hepburn that I saw at the same time.  I would have liked the Hepburn too, but not enough dead presidents in my wallet for both.

Bet there would be some real stories behind this rifle if you could rewind the history and watch a rerun.

dave

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Reply #1 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:07am
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Dave,

Nice rifle and a great find. The last time we spoke you were not adding but thinning. Maybe this one needs a permanent home. If so, let me know.

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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 1:22am
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Hi, Jerry,

Actually came out neutral on this one, I gave a high wall in addition to a few dead presidents for it, so have the same number of guns I started with.

I'm going to order 20 cases for it as soon as I get a chamber cast poured and drawn up.  At least shoot it a few times.  Then decide what to do with it.  Might make up a more shootable barrel for it, and match the original profile exactly so I don't have to alter anything.  Or be happy with it as it is, and take it to the range to go bang occasionally.

I'd bet it'd still kill an elephant at 10 paces.

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Reply #3 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 9:36am
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The guys over on Nitro Express would wet them themselves over that, even though most of them need two barrels to hit their target. Smiley
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 4:17pm
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Nice Field falling block - probably one of the simplest and most solid single shot actions, with lots of desireable features.  I suppose you could call it the Brit Hiwall, except that is is quite a bit simpler and has less parts.  I need to get me one of these some day...
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 6:10pm
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    Say Dave,  .   .   .   .any chance we'll get to lay an eye ball on her ?

     How many notches are carved into her wood ?  You know, of course, that the ghosts of those who have succumb to her blasts are rumored to be quite revengeful, and I hear locking the doors and keeping the windows closed are not at all effective in keeping them at bay.
     Legend has it around here that owners of elephant killers never keep them more that a year for the above stated reason.  How much did you say you want for it ? 

     C.M.M.
  
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     There she is, .   .   .   ., !  !   She's a good looker too !

     Thanks Dave !

     C.M.M.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 11:41pm
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Got to thinking more about the cases, ran over to Jamisons and picked up a batch of 20 and they fit perfectly.  When I called, the lady cautioned me first to not have a heart attack when she told me the price.  Didn't quite double my investment in the rifle to buy cases!  I'm grateful to get them, they look beautiful.   20 should be a lifetime supply.

120 grains of powder fills the case to within about 1/2 inch of the top without compression.  I'll load some up and it'll shoot again this weekend.   

I pulled off the forearm, it doesn't have regulation info, but has the caliber stamped again, and GV stamped twice.  Cleaned the crud out of the proofs, and it has a Birmingham visual proof, and a private final proof, and a Birmingham blackpowder definitive proof.  Serial # is above 2500, so must be near the end of the run.  Info I've seen said Fields only made about 2500 actions, and he mostly sold them to Birmingham shops that made the rifles.  The maker was a lower echelon maker, and made mostly India and Africa rifles for the trade, predominantly martini's.  Still, it has nice workmanship, after 100 years the screw slots are still all aligned with the bore.  It locks up tight and has absolutely no play.  It's been thoroughly used, and still should work fine.

I'm looking forward to shooting it.  It's a bit light, I think I'll put on a recoil pad on my shoulder first.

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Reply #8 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 12:50am
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Dave, don't let Double D hear you talk about making a .219 zipper out of that really neat rifle. He'll be over to your place so fast it'll make your head spin. Wish I'd look that good after 133 years. Enjoy. Frank
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am
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What is the thickness of the rim of the Jamison cases?
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 8:55pm
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Dave, don't let Double D hear you talk about making a .219 zipper out of that really neat rifle. He'll be over to your place so fast it'll make your head spin. Wish I'd look that good after 133 years. Enjoy. Frank


He said Zipper?!!!?  I skimmed over that and thought he said Donaldson Wasp....Zipper, indeed.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 10:39pm
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Waterman, rims measure .042.  That gives .006 headspace in my rifle, the zero headspace case I made is .048.

DD,  I guess I'll have to find another action for a zipper, starting to think I might like this one the way it is.  It'll be a nice complement to the .458 lott I built on your P-14 action.  

I've got loaded rounds for the .450 NE now, so am prepared for an elephant invasion at the house.  Will try it out this weekend.  I've enjoyed aquiring this rifle and preparing loads for it more than any I've had in some time.  It'll be a hoot at the range!

Added a couple of bullets to my wifes elephant display, kind of completes it:

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Reply #12 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 3:47am
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Dave, nice straight forward no nonsense rifle. What is the bore diameter?
And you sure got DD's attention regarding a 219 zipper. Supposedly if the elephants tusks are pointed up that means good luck. Frank
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 10:28am
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I believe I used to own that Field. At the time I bought, it I was told it was used on a sealing ship. That made perfect sense to me as it explains the lack of more rear sights normally found on British rifles. BTW, I own Farquharsons, Frasers, etc and the Field falling block is my favorite British action. There was a side lever Martini covered by the same Field 1877 patent.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:36am
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Is the difference between the 042" rim and the 0.048" Zero Headspace rim of any concern?  I have a rifle chambered for the same cartridge and have not yet fired it because such things worry me.
  
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