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Jun 13th, 2010 at 7:40am
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A friend of mine is considering buying a C. Sharps 1885 and is unable to find any opinions on fit, finish etc. I did see 2 at Etna Green once and they looked well made but he would like more input. I really have not herd much about them. Any thoughts?
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 10:51am
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I have looked at them many times at the Quigley shoot and they seem to be very well made.  They are thickside highwalls instead of the thinside model.  They can be ordered with a single set trigger.  Make sure that he is aware of straight grips vs pistol grips.  If he orders one, also make sure he talks to them about what his intentions of shooting it are.  Many of them are stocked with a lot of drop and have curved buttplates.  Not good in the recoil department if he's thinking large caliber. Another thing is to ask questions about twist rates and barrel manufacturer.  They used to use Badger but I'm not sure what they are using today.  Most of the barrels used today seem to give good results.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 11:00am
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I cannot speak about the 1885 C Sharps but this past December, I ordered and received (three week production time) a 1875 in 22 LR with a set trigger.  The owner told me the barrel is a Badger even though it was a 22 LR.  Fit of metal to wood is very good.  Trigger is not adjustable but has a set pull weight of about 7 ounces with a 3 1/2 pound unset trigger weight.
While not as accurate as a full decked out 22LR, bolt action bench rest rifle, probably because of me, the iron tang sights I use and the long hammer throw with heavy main spring, I can still get 3/8" groups at 50 yards from the bench.

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Reply #3 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 11:51am
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A couple of years ago, I was in Big Timber to pick up some stuff for my shop from a guy.  I stopped at both C. Sharps and Shiloh.  The rifles on display at Shiloh were uniformly well done, bordering on excellent.  At C. Sharps, there was a wide mix of ok woodwork to "first year gunsmithing student" quality.  Nothing really outstanding, and some that would not get a good grade in school...uneven surface sanding (waves), gaps, both well filled and unfilled areas on the same stock, etc.  I was not impressed.

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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:22pm
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I have two C.Sharps, with one more on the way.  Shooting from bench... my 22Hornet has the shotgun buttplate, with a Malcolm long tube scope.  Trigger has been reworked to 2lbs... sweet.  With 11gr IMR4227 it will do 1/2" if I do mine thing, 1" with no effort.  I don't expect a 22hornet to do better, or that I can.  I tried 13gr Lil-Gun but shots and velocity were very erratic; SD doubled, accuracy sucked.  I have a .32-40 with the set trigger, prong buttplate, soule, and palm rest.  I am still trying to find a good load but during breaking-in I put 5 shots in 1". I was more surpised at myself than the rilfe, think it was blind luck.  I have a Low-wall on order, 22LR with curved buttplate and mid-range tang sight.  Overall, I think you will get you money's worth.  Are they the same quality as Meachem or Ballard, NO!  But the cost and wait-time are also less.  Stay away from Uberti or Pedersoli unless you want a hunter... then I would by either a Winchester or Browning.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 13th, 2010 at 9:30pm
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I have three friends with C-Sharps 1885s'.  Two are very happy one is very unhappy, and with reason.  I have an 1874 and I am well satisfies.  It seems the quality can vary at times.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 5:55pm
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  Hi folks, I just had to reply on this one. I've had my two Shilohs since 1983, both bought from Wolf & John, after much phone discussion. Have shot hundreds upon hundreds of rounds (cast bullets only) through both of them, they are far more accurate than I am capable of. Over the past few years I've handled and fondled Shilos & C Sharps rifles. All have been superb in fitting and workmanship. Many have been been plain Janes with superb workmanship and fitting, & a few have been over the top Custom built,super superb,super accurate rifles. This past year, as a present for myself, and, as a lover of the 1874 Sharps, I decided it was time for a real nice one. I decided on a Custom C Sharps, after reading hundreds of opinions on both Shiloh & C Sharps, and don't  regret it one bit! Workmanship is superb, wood is fantastic, finish is ideal, shoots great. What it boils down to, is, if you are willing to spend many dollars on your dream rifle, you will get what you pay for. As an old man, that's been around for a long time, there will be many "Who'll give you an Apple For an Orchard" any day of the week. I have only original hi-walls that I shoot myself, but have handled a C Sharps 1885, was great to fit and finish. Don't know how they shoot. In closing, I'll stick my neck way out by saying, "How can you spend your money on crap that is made outside of this wonderful country of ours, and then complain about the screwing you took"   martin 1940D28
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 6:42pm
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I have an 1885 and an 1874. Both C Sharps and I am really pleased with the fit and finish. Both shoot extremely well. I have had an 1874 Shiloh and it too was super nice. FWIW, moodyholler
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 10:23pm
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I have a C Sharps '85 Hiwall in .40-65 and am well pleased with it. The workmanship is great and the Badger barrel shoots very well. The single set trigger works fine althougth I like the double triggers on my CPA better. I am told that original '85s did not have double triggers.
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Reply #9 - Jun 14th, 2010 at 11:25pm
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Lynn,  Someboy told you wrong, in fact they had 2 choices, close coupled & wide spaced, as standard on thier "Schuetzen Rifle".          ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 12:34pm
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38_Cal wrote on Jun 13th, 2010 at 11:51am:
A couple of years ago, I was in Big Timber to pick up some stuff for my shop from a guy.  I stopped at both C. Sharps and Shiloh.  The rifles on display at Shiloh were uniformly well done, bordering on excellent.  At C. Sharps, there was a wide mix of ok woodwork to "first year gunsmithing student" quality.  Nothing really outstanding, and some that would not get a good grade in school...uneven surface sanding (waves), gaps, both well filled and unfilled areas on the same stock, etc.  I was not impressed.

David


I find posts like these (not the poster) troubling.   I can only believe these mixed reports come from customers who have had varied experiences with products and service.  Getting at the truth is also made difficult because most people want to be fair, so the benefit of the doubt is given and negative experiences not always reported.  I have never owned a C. Sharps rifle, but I know several shooters whose opinions I respect who have been very happy with theirs. I have, however, seen "first year gunsmithing student" workmanship from other shops that generally have a solid reputation.  I have also had the experience of being insulted or stonewalled for daring to complain or question the vendor.

It is my belief that these problems often arise from owners who fail to adequately train and supervise employees.  Managing employees and customer relations require an entirely different set of skills from gun work.  In any event, there is no excuse for the owner or master smith not performing final quality checks before the work goes out the door, and fully standing behind it.

Meanwhile, the old adage "caveat emptor" is good advice.

Do your homework.

Paul


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Reply #11 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 2:20pm
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Mike, that's interesting to know about the double triggers on originals. I like them better but I probably wouldn't go to the trouble to change mine at this point even if it were possible. The single set trigger isn't really bad.

Paul, I agree with you about the mixed reviews and uneven workmanship seen with many companies today. The real test is whether a company makes good on faulty work when it is brought to its attention. True, it should never go out in the first place, but when it does it should be made good. There was a time when something made in America was like Ceasars wife; it was above suspicion.
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 8:43pm
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Paul & Lynn, what I was reporting on was what was on display in their sales room.  I have no idea what was going onto the brown truck, but I would think that they would want to showcase their best products for members of the public who might come in to see what their shop was all about.  To say that I (and my buddy that I came with who already owned one of their 1885 rifles and was generally pleased with it) was surprised at the lack of consistency on their woodwork would be an understatement.  The metal work was what I had expected from seeing their rifles over the years.  Prices on the display rifles were seemingly not  discounted from what was in their catalog.   

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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 8:27am
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David, I guess I was thinking more of some defect that got by without notice. You'ld think that the best examples of a product would be on display. But again, my experience with C Sharps was good.
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:10am
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I have one old c sharpes from approx20 years ago and ordered another about3 yrs ago both are fine rifles and shoot well.both rifles are 75 sharpes, ordering an 85 soon, Smiley bull44
  
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