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Jun 4th, 2010 at 8:10pm
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Anyone know who makes a small light flatback schuetzen buttplate.   I just received a a nice old Ballard (my first of that breed) that was built up for use in NRA 22 rf silhouette.  It has a basic straight stock, but made with VERY nice walnut.  it has a simple black gutta percha (I think) buttplate.  I want to use it for offhand and would like to fit a hook buttplate without messing with the wood or its finish.
  

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Reply #1 - Jun 5th, 2010 at 1:51am
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Look at track of the wolf. They show various schutzen buttplates in their catalog. Frank
  
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I would take a regular Schuetzen plate and grind it down to fit the external dims of the old stock. CPA has lots of plates.

Use a filler between the stock and plate to accommodate the curve.  Depending on the amount of curve you might be able to make the filler out of wood but it's easier to mold one out of epoxy resin. Or resin first then copy it in wood.  This is essentially how a modern free rifles plate works, flat butt ,spacer to adjust, and curved plate.

One potential problem might be length of pull. most Hook plate stocks are shorter than flat plate rifle stocks.

Compromise might be a rife style curved plate, I am using one on a CPA set up for our clubs "no Schuetzens" ram bash rule. It hangs better than a flat plate but is not considered a hook.  Not a lot of curve were it fits to the stock but still enough on my shoulder to settle well offhand.  

If the gun is light, and if built for NRA rules modern rifle matches it has to be, the regular curved rifle plate may be better than a Schuetzen plate.  Flat plates are no good for offhand that's sure.

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I've looked at the TOTW plates as well as many others and all are either too deeply curved----an adapter would really push LOP back too far.

right now I'm thinking of making an all-wood small schuetzen or deep crescent with a longer bottom point---sorta semi-schuetzen.  the butt is not thick and a local "gourmet" woodcrafters shop has exotic wood in the right thickness.  I'd acraglass a metal reinforce in the bottom flat and probably drill into the "prongs" as deep as practical and acraglass in short sections of carbon arrow shaft to reinforce them.   I'll be looking at ebony, rosewood, bubinga type woods that will go well with the walnut stock.    I may also use a smaller chunk of the same wood to redo the block in that lever   (make a real pistol grip like that other mystery rifle------ Shocked---not hardly)
  

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DWS, you'll have to be careful with tropical hardwoods.  Most have so much oil in them that they don't work well with either stock finishes or epoxies.  Both rosewood and ebony are problem woods, don't know about bubinga.   

If you go with a curved metal buttplate, like a small schuetzen plate, the length of pull is measured to the inside of the curve, so you would need spacers at the top & bottom (heel & toe) of the plate.   

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the tropicals can be an issue,  the dust can be hazardous so a safety mask is in order since I'll wind up working most of it on a slackbelt grinder.

Gluing and finishing can be accomplished.  I've done it in the past by soaking the final sanded wood in a high flash solvent for a while to leach out the wood's internal oils for a little distance in the wood; letting the solvent flash off; and then hitting it with a fast-drying penetrating seal coat. the seal coat should set before the natural residual oils can wick back into the area.  then the final finish can be built on the sealer.  This procedure has worked for me in the past.   

I'm leery of trying to fill in the gaps between the curved metal buttplate and wood for aesthetic reasons.  the existing stock is quite nice and I hate to mess it up.  I suppose I could  fit a curved buttplate to it but I like the idea of being able to shift between a regular buttplate and an offhand one.   Besides the idea of a carved ebony one sounds like an interesting challenge.
  

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Filling those gaps is relatively easy.  Glue/screw your fillers to the plate, surface off the filler blocks to where you've got a surface that matches the stock flatness, scribe around the stock to the filler blocks/plate and shape the pieces off of the stock.  Match up your hole spacing for your buttplate screws and drill & countersink for them.  Piece o' cake!   Wink

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I was thinking about a switch plate for my low wall project. Wanted to shoot Modern rifle rules Silhouette and rimfire Schuetzen same gun. One of the fellows that used to be on this board sent me some photos of his Schuetzen/Flat plate set up.

After looking at it made up my mind not to try to do two things with one buttstock. Might be easier to make a whole new stock like you want it and save the nice old one.  It would look better single purpose no doubt about it.

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Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 4:03am
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DWS8130, Why not fit a #3 Stevens plate from CPA (very slight curve), then replace the present butt plate with a new plastic butt plate that you can match the curve of the #3 by dipping it in boiling water. You might even be able to do it to the existing plate.             good luck,      ...MIKE...
  
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