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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
May 28th, 2010 at 8:28am
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I had a look at my copy of "Pope's Barrels"  All the palm rest attributed to Harry Pope are identical to the one sold by CPA or the other reproduction shops.  There were a few rest shown from other makers none had the adjustable stem feature of the Stevens-Pope model. This rest is also shown in the reproduction Stevens Catalogs.

If there was a different Parlor rifle rest have never seen one. You might detail exactly what one is.

I make or have made quite a few rest handles all fitting into the CPA repo base.  Always end up going back to the Schoyen style handle as furnished by Paul Shuttleworth. As far as the handle itself have often though about making one but it's complicated has a lot of parts and is not real expensive to buy. So limited myself to making the wood handle.

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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #1 - May 28th, 2010 at 3:11pm
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Rafter Know exactly  what  you mean

the Springfield Arsenal International match rifles from the 1930's had a flat bottom forearm with cork bottom, Most on 03 actions but some on Martini's too. They are well illustrated in Crossmans 03 book.  Have to say they are not attractive to my eye.

I  have never connected that style to Pope but you never know. I don't think he was a stock maker so any Pope Rifle could well have such a forearm if the owner desired.

You see all sorts of configurations due to individual match rules.  If functionality is the objective few better than the Stevens - Pope style as reproduced by CPA MVA and others.

Only other palm rest that I can see to be of advantage is the modern style riding on a rail so it can be adjusted fore and aft, like on a wood stock Anschutz 54 free rifle.  Only thing is moving it up and down I always come up with the same position as the Stevens Pope style on my CPA offhand rifle.

Harry knew a thing or too about offhand rifles.

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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #2 - May 28th, 2010 at 4:07pm
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     You can also see pretty good pix of this rest on the high-walls made for International competition in .30-06.  There is/are pictures in the 2nd book on Winchester Single Shots by John Campbell and there is one for sale by Jim Goergen on Gun Trader that may also have some usable pix with it.

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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #3 - May 28th, 2010 at 5:52pm
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Rafter It may work just fine.  Actually I shoot a lot more offhand thumb and forefinger hold than I do palm rest because of match rules. NRA modern Rifle Silhouette and my practice 10 Meter Air gun. 

However few times I have shot the  14 + lb .22 #4 barrel CPA with high comb and hook plate, set triggers & scope in regular NRA rules modern rile Silhouette matches. Not for match placing since it does not meet the rules. I shoot it a whole lot better than  I shoot the modern gun.

We can assume the mechanical accuracy of two good .22's is the same so difference is the furniture and weight.   

Way I see it if the gun is light with weight more toward the action perhaps thumb and forefinger hold will be as good and palm rest is probably not appropriate. Get muzzle heavy and carry almost all the weight on the forearm hand I think a regular Pope style palm rest is going to be the best way to hold the rifle.

Dividing line could be about 10 lbs.  That's the max allowed modern non palm rest  Silhouette rifle. I shoot the Hunter class and am limited to 9 CF 8 1/2 RF. The weight NRA allows for BPCS rifles that have to shoot 25 % of the match offhand is 12 and many guys struggle due to the way they have to hold the gun, no  palm rest flat buttplate.

This is all my opinion however & the worse looking single shot I know is shot by the best offhand shot I have ever seen. Froggy knows the one I am talking about.  By the way Froggy is right cork forearm rifles are in Campbell's book. Will quote the caption

"The cork bottomed pedestal is very much like those designed by AL Laudensack for the International Match Single shots. This is the only true Schuetzen I know of with this factory custom feature"

Seems Laudensack  & the International guns is the place to  look instead of Harry Pope, Rifle rest shown is oval just like you describe, it's worth a try and if the finished rifle is light my bet is it will work well.

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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #4 - May 29th, 2010 at 7:44am
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I just looked again and the ad for a high-wall International Match auction on Gun Trader is still there with a couple of days to go.  There is a nice close-up picture of the Laudensack designed rest as part of the show... #3, IIRC.

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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #5 - May 30th, 2010 at 12:29pm
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All the palm rest attributed to Harry Pope are identical to the one sold by CPA

Boats, the Pope rest made by Paul is quoted in their catalog as:
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Stevens palm rests came in many different styles, and this one is copied from the palm rest on a Stevens-Pope Model 49.
  
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Re: Info. on Pope Parlor Palm Rest
Reply #6 - May 30th, 2010 at 1:31pm
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It's in the Stevens Pope accessory catalog too.  

Wide variety of palm rest out there.  I have been experimenting with a round ball about between baseball and soft ball size.  It lets me put a lot of cant on the rifle and allows a more erect head position. Still experimental not sure it's the way to go.

For some reason almost all the International Free Rifles in Brophy's 03 book had round ball palm rest. Most if not all made from Cork. Mines hard Cherry.

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