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Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
May 12th, 2010 at 11:53am
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I am thinking about a .30-30 built on a small frame Martini action to use as a deer rifle in Pennsylvania.  I'd like a recommendation for the best small frame Martini action to use as a starting point.   

I would like something that might lend itself to some tasteful engraving, which means surface grinding all of the actions except a few of the commercial ones; although the Cadet actions would seem to need a lot more work than the rimfire actions.  I want a pistol grip, which means replacing or bending the levers on the Cadets and most of the BSAs except the 12/15 (the 15 is out because of the rear sight's being dovetailed into the rear of the action).  I also will need to scope the rifle (my eyes being the same age as the rest of me, iron sights of any type on a hunting rifle are unfair to the game).  I'll need to either acquire an action with some form of safety installed, or install a safety.  Finally, I want an action that will is not in terrible condition - bluing gone is fine, pitting beyond surface freckling that will come out as part of the finish polishing is not.

With those minimum qualifications in mind, which small frame Martini action would you suggest I use as a starting point?  Where might I acquire one?

Thanks very much.
  
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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #1 - May 12th, 2010 at 12:23pm
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If you go with a cadet, at least the centerfire work is done. If you go with the rimfires they have to be converted to CF (adjust the lever "horns", retrue the breech face, bush the firing pin to smaller diameter). The thick wall action give a bit more in the strength area but not enough to pass on a thinwall action. Bending the lever is not a monumental task to match your pistol grip stock. 38 Cal and Frank Zika have a nice pistolgrip style stock pattern. It looks like a creedmore stock. As to source, check out the auction sites and gun shows. I'm shortly going to put three up for sale but they are all RF and good shooters. Most likely drag them to EG for the end of the month shoot.

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2010 at 12:24pm
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I think the 12/15 would be my choice. Rear sight is screwed to receiver no dovetail
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Reply #3 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:09pm
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hi;

I have had three cadet actions built up as 30-30.  One was a pistol grip and all three had scopes.

My current 30-30 has a straight stock and sports an older Weaver 1.5-4.5X scope.  That scope has great eye relief.

I also built up a .357 Herrett with similar optics.  That one started out as a thick walled Model 12 BSA.

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The only thing I am likely to change on this rifle is the buttpad... I'll get rid of that white line!

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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #4 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:16pm
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Nice lumber!!! I have weakness for curly maple and that piece is a beauty!
  

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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2010 at 7:17pm
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And just for Idea. These rifles belon to J.D. Steele  ex member.
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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #6 - May 12th, 2010 at 8:15pm
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I would go with a 12 or 12/15 for the thick side walls, especially if you'll be "scrubbing" them for engraving.  If you can locate a centerfire breechblock, it can be fitted to the rimfire action and will make life a bit easier than having to convert a block.  Even with a cf block, be prepared to bush the firing pin hole...I've seen some that were much bigger than the pin's tip, and that's an invite to pierced primers even on the 30-30.  PM me with your email address and I'll get a photo off of a 12/15 I'm building using one of our Creedmoor stocks, though it may be a few days to get the picture to you.

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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #7 - May 13th, 2010 at 3:20am
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My 7mm Waters was I think a model 12 or it might have been a 10 if there is such a model. Like a Cadet with the same type of lever but with thick side walls and if my memory serves me right it was a R/F.
I had dove tails machined into the top of the octagonal barrel to take a scope for any open country work but have never used it with a scope except to sight it in.
In heavy and rugged bush its so easy to handle, 21 inch barrel and so light but the recoil is no bother even with 150 grain bullets which it seems to prefer
I can put three shots into three inches at a hundred metres with the open sights which is ok with me. 
Regards and good luck with your new rifle.
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Reply #8 - May 13th, 2010 at 8:28am
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Here is a beginning. Have you considered 357 Max as a hunting ctg?

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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #9 - May 13th, 2010 at 9:56am
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Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and particularly, your photos of small frame Martinis.  That was going to be my next request - photos of custom rifles, so I could refine my ideas of what I wanted the finished product to look like.

Nero:  I had not thought about the 7x30 Waters as a possibility.  I'll have to put that into the calculator and figure on the additional input for a while as I try to pull my ideas together into a coherent final form.

David:  I sent you a PM with my e-mail address.

Thanks again to all.

Paul
  
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Here is a beginning. Have you considered 357 Max as a hunting ctg?

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JD is doing freat and having fun on the other site. Along with a lot of the Ex-members here. Whitey
  
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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #11 - May 13th, 2010 at 10:55pm
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I saved a pic from an old Rifleman that I thought made a handsome rifle.  Will try to attach a pic.
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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #12 - May 14th, 2010 at 10:34am
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Joe:

I had no idea G&H ever did custom work on Martini rifles, let alone advertise the work.  That is a handsome rifle indeed and I can see it being a pretty good style to imitate when I get going on mine.

Thanks for sharing it.
  
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Re: Which Small Frame Martini Action for a .30-30?
Reply #13 - May 14th, 2010 at 11:09am
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G&H knew how to do  a lever end!   

Ever do the math on the how many degrees the angle of the breech face must be changed when lowering the breech block from RF to CF...it's a small decimal of a degree. 

  

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Reply #14 - May 14th, 2010 at 12:07pm
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If you wanted a pistol grip with a nice lever, why not just get one from BSA?
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