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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Mar 28^th, 2010 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Hi: I need a fair price for an 1885 HW that I am interested in buying from a friend. Allow me to describe it. Serial number 57XX Sporter model Wood has a scratches in a few places The inside of the barrel is like new The front sight has a hood with two posts that rotate 90 degrees. One post is black and the other has a white bead The barrel is full octagonal with a light brown patina finish The corners of the barrel has slight wear showing There is a buckhorn sight on the barrel There is a vernier sight on the tang There is a very faint CC in the action The metal is gun is 100% The barrel length is 30" The barrel crown is like new The action locks up like new The owner who know nothing about firearns picked a number of $2000.00 for the gunas he thinks that it is worth that as it is old and in a rare caliber. The gun has been in his wife's family since new. The orginal loading tool, bullet and lead dipper is included and they are in great conditionl There are 5 boxes of factory loads and 5 boxes of reloads, lead bullets included I would like to buy this gun but I have no idea of the value and do not want to pay too much! Kindly advise me of what a fair price would be for this rifle. TIA, Zeke -


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #1 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Thats not a very good description but even if it's the standard Hiwall model, the price is close to reasonable if it has not been refinished or a rust bucket. If it has a pistol grip stock I would buy it immediately.


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #2 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:00pm	Print Post
	Hi Quarter Bore: What other information do you need to give an appraisal? It has a straight grip. Thanks, Zeke


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2798 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #3 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:03pm	Print Post
	Welcome to the insanity, Zeke. On the Collecting Single Shot Rifles part of this Forum, you will see a topic "Amoskeag Auction". Click on that and you will see what the high-end High Walls just sold for. We are a bunch of shooters, not just collectors. One bit of additional info is the barrel size. There will be a single-digit number stamped on the bottom of the barrel, right in front of the fore-end. That number is the "weight" of the barrel and is critical in determining a price for an original Winchester. By "CC" on the action, do you mean color case hardening? I would add that the "old ammunition" may have some value to collectors. In any event, it may be corroded or may have corrosive primers. Don't shoot it just to see if the gun works. It may ultimately damage the nice bore.


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #4 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:03pm	Print Post
	Hi Quarter Bore: There is no rust now or has ever been. It has not been refinished. Thanks, Zeke


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #5 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	Hi Waterman: It is marked 3 on the bottom of the barrel. It is quite heavy perhaps 9 pounds. Thanks, Zeke


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2798 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #6 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	How many triggers does it have?


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #7 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	Hi Waterman: Yes, I meant by CC is indeed colour case hardening. Thanks, Zeke


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #8 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 3:40pm	Print Post
	Hi Waterman: It has one trigger with an adjusting screw right behind it. Zeke


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1737 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #9 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	I think it's probably about fairly priced. It's just high enough that a guy wouldn't hurt his arm trying to get his wallet out fast enough, but with the mold and ammo with it, it's probably a sound value. A lot depends on the tang sight. Is it windage adjustable vernier tang sight, elevaton only vernier sight, or a marbles/lyman type. If it is an original windage adjustable vernier sight, you have a fair bargain there. If it's just elevation, or marbles/lyman, it's slightly overpriced. The front sight sounds like a beech combination, which is of some value of itself. My assessment would be: Base rifle: $1250 - $1500 depending on overall look. Brown patina on barrel with remaining CC is a bit of a disparity. Usually the case color goes before the blue oxidizes. Beech Combination sight: +$100 since it replaced original sight but is more valuable. Tang sight: + $125 to $550 depending on which sight. Original load tool, mold, dipper + $175 If they are Winchester, $125 if Lyman or Ideal or similar. 10 boxes ammo @ $12 each. say $100 to be conservative. If nice original green box collector boxes, could be a lot more. dave


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1737 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #10 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	An addendum to my post. You posted the single trigger with adjusting screw after I posted. I'd buy the gun immediately. The single set trigger puts it into the $1500 range easily for the gun, and makes the gun plus extras fall easily into the $2000 range. dave
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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1008 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #11 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	This rifle seems to be a nice original Win HW in 32/40 with single set trigger, at the prices I see at the Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc. it would sell for 2,000 dollars or more. ledball


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Quarter_Bore Oldtimer Offline Posts: 817 Location: Joined: Dec 16^th, 2005	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #12 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	Zeke, That's what I needed to know. Yep the rifle is worth about $2,000. Not a great deal, but not a rip off. Just what it would go for on the open market.


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zeke Full Member Offline Posts: 142 Location: rural Joined: Mar 25^th, 2010	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #13 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	Hi All: I just talked to the owner of this rifle about the rear sight and he described it as having a small tab that can be rotated on the left of the sight. When this is rotated, it sticks out and be turned with the fingers. On the right side, there is a small screw that appears to fit into the screw on the left side but he did not turn this screw. When I looked at the rifle last night, I did not see any provision for windage. Of course I did not know what to look for other than a dovetail in the base where the upright piece attaches. Does this tab on the left secure the vernier to the base? What would windage provisions look like if it had them? How would one adjust for windage on this rifle other than moving the front sight. Why would they make a vernier type pf rear sight that has a large disk for aiming if it was not adjustable for windage? Thanks for all the help, Zeke


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singleshotom Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Location: tofield AB. Canada Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2008	Re: Fair price for an 1885 Winchester H.W. 32-40? Reply #14 - Mar 28^th, 2010 at 6:29pm	Print Post
	Here in Canada that's the going price for a reasonable highwall action...plain and simple. SST


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