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Ramsgate Ex Member	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #15 - Dec 24^th, 2009 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Dec 24^th, 2009 at 6:32pm: I'm looking for any reference that will tell about Hauck rifles. I hope this link will work. The patent you are looking for is 2,749,641 and will yield all the submitted drawings. [url]http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=iaBPAAAAEBAJ&dq=2,749,641/url]


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caithness77 Full Member Offline Posts: 114 Location: Brisbane Joined: Jul 14^th, 2009	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #16 - Dec 24^th, 2009 at 7:55pm	Print Post
	Hello runningiron, Well I can see that it unlikely to be a Wilbur J. Hauck, the trigger arrangement is all together different, well at least to what I've seen of his work thus far. Duane Cole design is also out, but getting close. From the photo it really is a closer match to DeHaas-Miller. Like others have said, if you can show pictures of the internals we could confirm more easily. Cheers and Merry Xmas from Australia, Stu


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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #17 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 10:27am	Print Post
	I've finally got some pictures of the extras I received with the rifle. Here is the scope in it's box. I just noticed there are no bases on the rifle on with the scope. I'll have to fix that.

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #18 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Here are the items from the chest. I know what all of them are except the white handled tool on the right and the two black (mostly) flat tools in the middle

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #19 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 10:39am	Print Post
	And Here is the chest itself. The glue has let go on most of the joints, so I will have to address that before I can use it again

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #20 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 10:44am	Print Post
	The tool to the immediate right of the amber colored screwdriver handle is a choke tube wrench for Mossberg or Winchester early type non-flush fitting chokes. I'm guessing that the other two unknown are takedown/reassembly tools for the action. The ivory handled one looks stout enough that it may be used to compress a mainspring or cock a striker. David

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #21 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Here is a picture of the block and lever.

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #22 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 11:00am	Print Post
	And finally, the receiver mortise. Now, I hope I can get it back together, again.

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #23 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 11:47am	Print Post
	Here are the block internals The rifle has a trigger pull of baout 1 oz. and I touched it while removing the block. When it came time to reassemble, I couln't get it to go in, the firing pin was protruding. I tried cocking it in a vise, but then it wouldn't function at all, so I figured, what the hell, and took it completely apart. Now I really have to figure out how to put it back together.

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runningiron Full Member Offline Posts: 129 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 12^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #24 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 11:53am	Print Post
	I just looked at the DeHaas/Miller patent drawing, and it is definitely their action, though without the safty. If Mr McGee did indeed build the action, he did a hell of a job.

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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #25 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	Looks like a British Ross scope. If it is, then it is only the second one that I have seen. I have the other---complete with recoil spring. Fred.


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2063 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #26 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	You've got a Russ Weber breechseater in your kit, which means that Russ could probably tell you who he made the tool for, your scope is of course a Lyman Super Targetspot, and here's Frank DeHaas and Dean Miller's Patent; (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Bob
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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #27 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	Runningiron, The few the striker actioned falling blocks I am familiar with, require the striker to be cocked when re-assembling the rifle from a stripped down condition. With some it's an easy process, but I cannot recollect ever hearing or reading just how the DeHaas/Miller was reassembled. Perhaps one of the members may either have such an action or be familiar with the process. Failing that, Mark DeHaas the son of late Frank, can be contacted on (660)872-6308. He is almost certain to be able to tell you how it is done. The telephone number is in the public domain, being given on the DeHaas book website. Harry
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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #28 - Dec 25^th, 2009 at 2:17pm	Print Post
	I had a look at the reference books and the Lyman scope is shown exactly as the one pictured on this thread. Thing is, I have an identical scope with the addition of a recoil spring and marked "Ross"--a UK manufaturer. Did Ross buy them from Lyman or did some other concern make them? Does anybody know? Fred.


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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1694 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #29 - Dec 26^th, 2009 at 9:02am	Print Post
	I've been watching this thread and am not really much help here but I've seen a couple that are similar to this. One was in kit form and one was an assembled rifle. They were made by Hoch, not Hauck. I believe he still makes bullet moulds and is around Colorado. IIRC, he sold the rights to Meachum who made them for a while before he moved on to making highwalls. Then again, I could be way off base on this so please take it for what it's worth; that's with inflation and all. Bob


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