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Can anyone help identify this rifle?
Dec 21st, 2009 at 9:49am
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I bought this rifle a last week but have a lot of questions about it.  It appears to be on a Miller-DeHaas action, but there are no markings other than what appears to be a serial number on the front of the receiver, the name Cecil Bede McGee on the rear of the receiver behind the block mortise, and an engraging of a buck head on each side.  There is no safety on the rifle, as I would expect on a Miller-DeHaas.  The dealer said the owner built the gun from scratch, but the action appears to be too well done (but, then again, I might not understand the talents of a master machinist).  Any thoughts?
  

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Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 9:50am
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Here is a close up of the action.
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 6:10pm
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Well, if it is NOT a DeHaas-Miller it sure is a very close copy.  At least based on the photo.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 6:45am
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runningiron wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 9:49am:
I bought this rifle a last week but have a lot of questions about it.  It appears to be on a Miller-DeHaas action, but there are no markings other than what appears to be a serial number on the front of the receiver, the name Cecil Bede McGee on the rear of the receiver behind the block mortise, and an engraging of a buck head on each side.  There is no safety on the rifle, as I would expect on a Miller-DeHaas.  The dealer said the owner built the gun from scratch, but the action appears to be too well done (but, then again, I might not understand the talents of a master machinist).  Any thoughts?


Runningiron,

It's a close look alike for the DeHaas/Miller, perhaps with personal touches added by the maker. I'd suggest you check with the dealer to see if he can put you in touch with whoever sold him the rifle.

There are not thousands of Scheutzen competitors in the USA these days so you may be able to trace C.B.McGee through some of the remaining clubs. Heck someone on this board may even know him. Anyone who went to the trouble of making this rifle surely did it with the intention of competing.

Building a rifle action is not difficult for a trained machinist, even a capable amateur can make one. It's probably much easier for those who are capable of using and have access to a CNC Lathe and Milling machine.

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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:57am
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The dealer advised me that the builder/owner had died but that was all the information he had on him.   

The rifle also came with an unmarked externally adjustable target scope in a fitted wooden box.  Looks sort of like an Unertl without the recoil spring.  It also came with a wood machinists tool chest full of accessories, some of which I haven't figured out.  There were a bunch of lead and jacked bullets, cases, breech seater, 2 boxes of 45-90 cases (I wonder where that rifle is), an RCBS Li'l Dandy powder measure, and three boxes of Remington Large Pistol (?) primers, plus other miscellaneous tools.  I probably paid way too much for this ensemble, but it looked intersting.
  

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Reply #5 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 11:33am
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Runningiron,

Allowing that the original builder is dead did the dealer give you a town or a state where he lived? 

Regarding all the odds and ends that came with the rifle, lets have pictures please, the chances are that you may, or may not have paid too much, but in a couple of years or so you will probably be into profit.

Over the years I bought many weapons and eventually sold them off at three to ten times what I paid for them. That sounds good, but, if I'd hung onto them for another 10 - 20 years they would have been worth thirty times what I paid for them. We learn by our mistakes.  Cry

I think it would be worth trying to trace more info about Mr McGee, it would all add provinence to your rifle.

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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 3:52pm
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Send a PM to Keith Foster here on the site  , membership chairman/ BOD of ASSRA.  he might be able to track the name.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 1:29am
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i also saw it on gun broker, Im  pretty sure its a miller and it was a lyman scope. you did well from what I saw was with it.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:04am
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    I know almost nothing about the De haas action --the finger lever on this rifle looks like a Hoch as does the extractor pin above the finger lever pin.  The Hoch was a copy of one of the German striker fired rifles.   ledball
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 1:32pm
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That Rifle looks very much like a Hauck. he was a single shot enthusiast from Vermont, or at least lived there at one time. He built Rifles primarily in modern calibers. Woodchuck calibers and the like. I say it looks like a Hauck. I am not even sure at this point that I have the spelling right. The last one I saw here in Massachusetts was a .25 Niedner Krag. That was at least 15 years ago, maybe longer. His actions were quite strong and were popular. I hope this will give you another route to look down. I will look thru my literature for any further information and if I find some will post it here. HTH, Regards. FITZ. Smiley
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 1:47pm
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It needs to be taken apart and parts photographed. That should solve the mystery.  May only tell you what it's not.


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Reply #11 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 6:46pm
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Sure looks like an early DeHaas-Miller to me. That upper pin that the extractor rides on looks like brass in the picture. (?) That cut on the front of the lever is not like mine; mine is same thickness all through. If it's a DeHaas you should be able to push that lower pin out easily, with the action cocked, and drop the breachblock out the bottom. 
They made small changes to them over the years. 
I don't think it is a Hoch or a Hauck.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 12:12am
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I appreciate all the comments.  I'm going to try to disassemble it and take some more picures.  I'll also post picture of the scope and acessories that came with the rifle.  Watch this space.
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:06pm
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The patent number you want is 3,735,517 and the searches aren't fun. Google patents are easiest. Anyway, that number will get you to the drawings submitted by Frank de Haas and Dean E. Miller.

and I spent a lot of time looking for Cecil Bede McGee. So far I have failed miserably.

A beautiful rifle. Well done.
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 24th, 2009 at 6:32pm
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I'm looking for any reference that will tell about Hauck rifles.  TIA

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