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gungadoug
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Pope? rebored Hi- Wall?
Oct 25th, 2009 at 6:52pm
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Have acquired a Win. Hi Wall, 1889 mfg, #1 weight bbl, rebored from 22 WCF to 32-20. On removing the forearm, I had a surprise! In about 3/16" hand stamped letters it says "H M POPE S FRAN CALIF". I strongly suspect a fake, BUT?? Rifling is standard style, 6 groove, 1 in 16". Labeled as such. So, I understand Pope did set up in SF for a VERY short period of time, and wonder if he may have done a rebore before he got the normal stamps? I would greatly appreciate opinions, and documentation! Pics available thru personal Email.
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Re: Pope? rebored Hi- Wall?
Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 8:22am
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I can grantee that this is a fake, and a clumsy one at that. Pope did set up a shop in San Francisco but the day before he opened he was wiped out by the “Great San Francisco Earthquake”. He lost everything in the quake and resulting fires. The only thing that he saved was a ½” micrometer and a pocket scale. Reboreing a #1 barrel from .22 WCF to 32-20 is a highly unlikely job for Pope to have done.  If he had a job on it is much more likely that he would have replaced it with a heavier barrel and in a different caliber. I don’t know of any Pope 32-20 barrels ever made. Pope specialized in Target barrels and the 32-20, while a popular game getter never enjoyed a reputation as a target caliber. The rifling is not gain twist and while Pope did make some barrels in uniform twist they were for the 30-06. I have never heard of a Pope barrel other than .30 caliber in uniform twist. 

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Re: Pope? rebored Hi- Wall?
Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 4:11pm
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40 Rod,

I have a Jersey City Pope in 7 x 57 which is uniform, right hand twist.  My belief is that once he (or Stevens Pope?) began making the right hand twist barrels for the Krag .30 - 40 (twist right hand so the windage adjustments of the original sights worked as designed), he maintained that practice in all barrels made for "smokeless" cartridges.

I have five rifles with H M Pope .30 barrels with uniform, right hand twist.  Chambers are .30-40, .30-.405, 7.5 Schmidt & Haberman, and two in .30-06.  Tom Rowe photographed all of these for the forthcoming books Warren Greatbach is doing.
  

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Re: Pope? rebored Hi- Wall?
Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 4:45pm
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Well I knew that his .30 barrels for smokeless were uniform twist and I should have included the 30-40 Krag. But I have never heard of him doing 7MM barrels It may be the only one. The real point is if he had done a 32-20, and I am not aware that one was ever done it would have probably been a gain twist. 

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Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2009 at 9:05am
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Sorry, my mistake! 32-40, not 32-20. Still I'm sure this is a fake.
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2009 at 4:11pm
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There are a lot of misconceptions regarding Pope barrels. 

I’ll add to what Terry said by saying  Pope also did 9mm sporting barrels.

My Pope 38-72 is a breech-loader, left hand twist and it does NOT have a gain twist. 

My 30-06 sporter is right-hand and uniform.
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 28th, 2009 at 8:24pm
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I hate to ask, but since I'm pretty new to all of this, what is " gain " in reference to twist? Thanks, Jake
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 28th, 2009 at 10:13pm
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I hate to ask, but since I'm pretty new to all of this, what is " gain " in reference to twist? Thanks, Jake



The twist is slower at the breech and then increases (gains) towards the muzzle. The theory being that it imparts less "shock" (or distortion?) on the bullet. 

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