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Older new Browning 1885 questions
Oct 23rd, 2009 at 8:49am
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I have a Browning 1885 22-250 that was built in the 1980s that I took in a trade several years ago.  Appearance wise it is a beater, it looks like it spent some time in a pick up truck rack.  The edges on the barrel are worn and the stock is in need of refinishing.  The receiver blueing is good and the bore is like new.

The other day I pulled it out of the safe and started planning/dreaming about what to do with it.  Perhaps I have been to a few too many Oktoberfests lately but I have been leaning toward making a schuetzen rifle out of it for offhand shooting.  So I have some questions.

Does anyone convert these to set triggers?  If so, who?

Does anyone know who makes a Swiss butt plate that can be fitted to the stock butt stock?  Which model if they offer several?

I am not a competitive shooter but I am thinking about starting.  What caliber would you recommend for a novice?

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Re: Older new Browning 1885 questions
Reply #1 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 9:36am
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If I were you I would sell the Browning and buy the best original single shot I could afford. If you are looking for a cheaper way to get into schuetzen sometimes you can get a Varmintized Stevens 44 1/2 for $600 to $800. Starting with that you could build up a real schuetzen and add double set triggers, an offhand buttstock and new barrel. If you could do some of the metal or stock work yourself that would save you some money. If you want to go the easy route you could just order out a CPA repro. of the Stevens rifle and have something ready to go. I think you will enjoy schuetzen shooting. To be sure maybe you should visit a local match and observe. Someone may even let you shoot their rifle. Good luck and welcome to the most relaxed form of shooting you are likely to find.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 23rd, 2009 at 10:40am
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Thanks, you are probably right.  I ended up with this on a convoluted trade and it has been taking up safe space since.  That aside I enjoy bringing a beater back to life but I understand that this may not be the gun for the purpose I am now thinking about.

I am going to head down to River Bend tomorrow in an effort to better educate myself, I've been playing with a 45/70 rolling block lately.  In fact it was poking around their web site that got me thinking about the set trigger issue since they had several for sale with such triggers.

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Re: Older new Browning 1885 questions
Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2009 at 12:55pm
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there is a lot of info in the archives here about the "new browning" variations.  while they are good solid rifles, and the badger-barreled BCPR and Creedmoor versions, much better than good, making a decently performing offhand schuetzen out of one could be a problem.  Re-barreling and chambering to a suitable calibre and restocking would just be a start.

The biggest issue in my opinion would be getting a suitable trigger action for quality offhand work.  I may be wrong on this but I'm not aware of anyone offering a DST system for them.  While the existing trigger can be reworked---by a expert gunsmith who is experienced on that action, to the best of my knowledge the lightest you can get is a 2 or 3 pound for a safe reliable trigger pull.
They'd be fine for a bench gun or a long range/BCPR rifle but I'd have doubts about using it for schuetzen offhand.

JMHO of course but I think you'd do a lot better with building up a Ruger 1 or 3 or one of the more traditional schuetzen actions

That said, shooting your Browning would be better than shooting nothing.

Visit some matches take the rifle along,  Usually there is a bit of horse trading going on.  Somebody might be looking for a good varmint rifle and have something that might suit your needs better
  

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Re: Older new Browning 1885 questions
Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 1:16am
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There are no set triggers of any form available for the Browning 1885.  MVA considered introducing one some time ago but dropped the project.

A good gunsmith can modify the trigger sear and, with the addition of a lighter trigger spring, get the trigger pull down to 1.5 to 2 lbs.

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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 6:59am
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Wayne,

My understanding has been consistent with yours and then I saw the listing for several reproduction new model 1885s with set triggers on the add mentioned above.  I went back to the add and reviewed it and it is vague enough that there is a possibility, maybe even likelihood, that these are not the Japan made 1885s that were made for Winchester and Browning.  I have e-mailed the seller to clear up the confusion.

Obviously if MVA had considered the production of such triggers as we have all been informed over the past couple of years, then there is at the least a workable concept out there.  How well it works is anyone's guess.

As it stands right now, the best trigger I know of for these is the Shaver trigger job.  If, in fact there is a set trigger available for the 1885 then a whole new world of uses for the browning 1885 opens up.

Thanks for frequently sharing your hard earned expertise on the Browning/Winchester 1885s.

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Re: Older new Browning 1885 questions
Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 11:14am
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I'm sure we'd all be interested in knowing more.  You think maybe they might be the Italian-made versions, Pedersoli or such?

TexasMac has made a 2nd career of studying the "new" Browning 'walls and I'd treat about anything he says about'em as "gospel"
  

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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 12:05pm
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Wayne is right.  I received a return e-mail to my question to the dealer and he verified that they are not Browning/Winchester made.  I was very surprised when I saw the add since my understanding about the triggers has always been consistent with what Wayne stated above.  I am a victim of my own wishful thinking set off by a vague add.   Cry

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