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Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Jul 8th, 2009 at 9:29pm
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Just bought a Favorite that is supposed to have a factory checkered stock. It looks right to me. Similar to other factory work that I have seen. None of my reference material shows a picture but it was an option. Have pictures of the Favorite Ladies Model but it is different. Go to Antique Guns.com and search for Stevens. Bluesman agrees with me. Looking for the opinion of some of out other Stevens experts. Anybody have one or actualy seen one?
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:19pm
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Give Paul and Gail at CPA a call. They've got the checkering patterns for almost all of the various Stevens.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:48pm
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I followed that rifle with interest.  I was glad to see you bid on it and win.  It looks very good regardless of its originality.  It was executed by a skilled craftsman no matter if it was at the Stevens factory or done later.  It was also done long ago as it shows honest use.  Nice buy!!!
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Reply #3 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:15pm
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I agree with Red. It's either factory, or extremely well done a very long time ago. Either way, it's impossible to determine the origins, considering Steven's lack of records. 
At the price you sure couldn't go wrong! That's a great gun!
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 9:54pm
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Slumlord,  I can't believe you got that one for $250.  What a steal!  I think it looks really nice.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:49pm
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To tell the truth, I did not think I would get it that cheap. That was the minimum bid and no one else bid on it. I figured that was a decent price for the gun if it just had a standard stock on it. I picked up another deal on a Stevens rifle on this site a while back. I do not remember how I stumbled across this website, but the minimum bids and selling prices seem to be fair most of the time. I will let you all know what I find when it comes in. It apparently had a tang sight on it at one time and I have an original Stevens Tang sight that I bought a while back that I have been trying to figure out what to put it on. If the checkering seems to be factory, it will make a nice rig with the checkered stock and original tang sight. Thanks for the input.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 12:46am
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I have seen some very unusual Stevens rifles that I am sure were factory special orders.  I owned a factory engraved standard Model 44 sporting rifle with fancy wood and checkered stock that were original and numbered to the rifle.  The factory would do almost anything that the buyer was willing to pay for.  That being said, my only question about this Favorite is that although the checkering could be a factory special order job, it was more usual to find this combined with fancier wood than this rifle exhibits.
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Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 7:26am
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I am far from an expert, but there are a couple of questions that arise concerning the originality of the gun and checkering.

The action appears to have been cut or ground at the top. 

As far as I know all Favorites had hard rubber butt plates, not metal as this one. That plus the plain wood make me wonder if the stock has been "improved" by someone.

In spite of these questions, it is a very nice looking gun and a good buy, especially in that chambering. The checkering appears to be well done, and is contemporary with the age of the gun.
  

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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 11:41am
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Cut or ground where? This is an early gun. You can tell by looking at the action from the side. Early guns had a  srtaight angleon the frame. Later guns had a radius. The early guns had a metal butplate. The later ones had a plastic or baklite butplate. You could very well be correct about the checkering. If it was not done in the factroy, it was done a long time ago. I understand what you say about the plain wood, but the catalogs list a checkerd stock as an option. It does not say anything about delux wood, just checkering. The checkering pattern is consistant with what Stevens used on there uppper end 44's and 44 1/2's. It seems sort of unlikely that a master craftsman of the time would have taken the time to do such a nice job of checkering on such a low priced gun. It is possible for sure though. I keep hoping that somone out there has a factory checkered gun, or has a reference with a picture of one. I have actualy seen a Favorite Ladies Model at a gun show in Louiville Ky a couple of years ago. Checkering is simlar but different and the stock is a pistol grip stock rather than a straight grip stock. I have pictures of the Ladies Model in an early catalog reprint. I will know more when I have the gun in my hands. It may be one of those things that IF it was done after the fact, back in the day by a real craftsman who copied the Stevens pattern, it may not be possible to prove for sure if it is factory or not. It is not like I paid a premium for it. For what I paid, it was a steal either way.
  
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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 5:05pm
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Ohyeh! slumlord I am jealous and I am not even fond of Stevens Rifles. That looks all correct to me. Nice buy. FITZ.
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:11am
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There are pictures on Halp's single shot Pbase page of a Ladies model 56 on a 44 1/2 action and also a straight grip Ideal on a 44 1/2  special ordered with checkering and fancy wood.  The straight grip Ideal would give you something to compare to.   
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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #11 - Jul 12th, 2009 at 4:45pm
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I don't think checkering on standard grade wood means it's not factory? Stevens would build you whatever you wanted, and often times it doesn't make sense to us today.
I've got an almost completely factory stock Stevens 44, with plain wood, std. barrel, straight grip, no checkering, and yet it's got the highest level of factory engraving Stevens offered.
It's always puzzled myself and others why someone would order such high grade engraving on a otherwise bone stock 44, but that was Stevens for you. Other makers always upgraded their wood slightly on special order guns, but Stevens didn't unless the customer paid for it.
  

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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2009 at 1:34pm
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3 comments:
1. #56 Stevens is only made on the 044 1/2
2. In general checkering only done on fancy wood as it held the          checkering well.  That rifle just may have better that just plain wood, look closely.

3. Beware that site: bought a rifle that we supposed to be a .22 and it was a .32 rf and would not take it back. I advised him it was his mistake not mine and he told me he didn't care whose mistake it was.
Bought another from this place and was told it was a centerfire and when I got it was a rimfire .38. Again told me he didn't care. So description doesn't mean anything to him. Twice burned thats enough-deleted his site.
So if you find out that you got something that you didn't want- this guy doesn't do returns. At least not mine anyway.
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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #13 - Jul 14th, 2009 at 9:35pm
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1. The 56 is on the 44 1/2 action. The Favorite Ladies Model I was refering to is the No. 21. See Stevens Catalog dated 1911, page 34.
2. In general I would agree with you. The 1903 Stevens Catalog under Model - Favorite- Extras  on page 19 did list  a fancy walnut stock and forearm for $4. A fancy walnut stock and forearm checkered for $9 They also listed a plain pistol grip stock and forearm for $5. a plain pistol grip stock and forearm checkered for $10. A fancy pistol grip stock and forearm for $9. A fancy pistol grip stock and forearm checkered for $14. This was when the plain No. 17 Favorie was only $6. I will look closely when I get the gun and compare the wood on it to my other Favorites. The gun should get here this week and I am anxious to see exactly what I got. I figure if it is just a standard model that a gunsmith checkered in the distant past, I still will not get hurt for what I paid.
3. The site in question has some items listed by the site and some listed by individuals. This was listed by an individual and he asured me beforehand that if I was not satisfied he would return it. A previous gun I bought on this site from an individual worked out fine for me. This is only the second gun I have bought there. I have had a couple of problems with guns bought on other sites but no worse than guns I have bought face to face and overlooked something. Sometimes you do well on these and sometimes you do not do well.
Thanks for the input.
  
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Re: Factory Checkered Stevens Favorite Stock?
Reply #14 - Jul 14th, 2009 at 11:20pm
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Having owned and sold several "ladies" Stevens rifles to include the 56 and examining the favorite series of them,ie 21,  what I can say is that I personally never saw a 56 in 44 1/2. It was a ladies rifle and supposed to be for a smaller user, thats why its a ladies rifle and 044 1/2. If indeed you have a full size #56 then it is a rarity, and I would encourage a close examination of said rifle. 
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