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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	redecapper ID Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	Anybody know for sure who made, or designed this redecapper? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) A question I found on the antique loading tool website. Joe.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4070 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #1 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:48pm	Print Post
	Looks like one of the originals by Schoyen or Peterson to me. Dave Arawinko has developed a modern adaptation of it that uses standard shell holders and interchangeable decapping stems. What do I win?? Froggie


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: redecapper ID Reply #2 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 11:08pm	Print Post
	Thats what I thought too. Terry Savage had a bunch cast up from an original years ago. I had one once. They didnt have the ring though. You win an ATTA BOY ! Mr Greenjeans! Joe.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #3 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 8:00am	Print Post
	It looks like a Peterson to me. At one time I belive that there were kits available for them from someone. If I remember right it was out of Florida. 40 Rod


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16343 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: redecapper ID Reply #4 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 8:11pm	Print Post
	Definitely NOT a Schoyen or Pope. Haven't seen a Peterson, so I can't say on his.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: redecapper ID Reply #5 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 1:36am	Print Post
	I've seen that tool somewhere before. I skimmed through the library today but no luck. I wonder if its in one of Grants books. I'll keep looking when I have time. It's gonna bug me. Joe.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4070 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #6 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 7:27am	Print Post
	Joe, I think it's either in the Kelver book on reloading tools or in the Chamberlain and Quigley book. Unfortunately, I can't lay my hands on either one right this minute. Val, One thing about the Schoyen / Peterson stuff that I have learned is to never say never. There was a lot of blending in the time they worked together, so it is sometimes hard to know what was done by whom. It is a fairly well accepted idea that Peterson reused a lot of stuff Schoyen made by adapting it to a new application... especially barrels. Oh yeah, just to keep the record straight, the "Pope-style" re- and decapper was actually invented by Chicks Martinez (sp?) in San Francisco(?) and adopted by Harry who knew a good thing when he saw it. The more I find out about this stuff, the more confusing it gets! Regards, Froggie


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16343 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: redecapper ID Reply #7 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	Like I said, it may be a Peterson, but a Schoyen (even adapted) looked nothing like that one, so it would be so highly modified that I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't start from scratch easier. Yes, Peterson not only adapted many Schoyen items, but also used Schoyen's rollstamp long after his death. He also relined a number of Schoyen barrels to .22 rimfire!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: redecapper ID Reply #8 - Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 1:33pm	Print Post
	I finally found a picture of one of the two types of redecappers Schoyen and ,or Peterson offered. It's on page 351 in Dutchers Ballard book. Similar to the one in question. Joe.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4070 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #9 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:15am	Print Post
	I have finally taken the time and gone back through Kelver, Dutcher and Chamberlain & Quigley, and am unable to find a picture or even mention of the re- and decapper that started this thread. Has anybody actually found documentation? Is it in one of the Grant books, maybe? BTW, the new CPA version of the other style of de- & re- that was discussed here is slick! Look for a review in an upcoming SSR-J or go to the CPA website and look for it. Froggie


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16343 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: redecapper ID Reply #10 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 8:49pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2009 at 1:33pm: I finally found a picture of one of the two types of redecappers Schoyen and ,or Peterson offered. It's on page 351 in Dutchers Ballard book. Similar to the one in question. Joe. The Schoyen and Peterson re-decappers both had two handles, not one handle and a ring.

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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4070 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #11 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 8:50am	Print Post
	Val, I followed your discussion of it and am more than willing to admit that those two variations on the single basic theme were indeed the standard issue for Schoyen and Peterson together... They may indeed be the only ones that either of them made. What I am still baffled by is where the one that started this thread and was adapted by Dave Arawinko with modern shell holders came from. If it did not belong to Peterson as so many folks have said, who did make that design? The fact that the one in this thread is not a product from Dave, and that he got his inspiration from an existing (antique?) unit from somewhere begs the question, whose design is it? With all the interest in this thread, surely somebody will come along with some facts about it (or even some good lies! ) Froggie


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fallingblock ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 634 Location: Wisconsin Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: redecapper ID Reply #12 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	The Arawinko is a copy of a Peterson/Schoyen. They were made with both the ring and handles. One is pictured in the Rock Island sale of the Dutcher collection. There are also several on display at the Peterson/Schoyen shop in Florida. Dave also has original castings from the Peterson/Schoyen shop. As to who was the originator I have no clue. Dave doe not know either only that they are one of the several kinds of re-de cappers made by the Peterson/Schoyen shop. Cheers, Laurie

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11552 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: redecapper ID Reply #13 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 2:14am	Print Post
	fallingblock wrote on Jul 9^th, 2009 at 12:30pm: The Arawinko is a copy of a Peterson/Schoyen. They were made with both the ring and handles. One is pictured in the Rock Island sale of the Dutcher collection. There are also several on display at the Peterson/Schoyen shop in Florida. Dave also has original castings from the Peterson/Schoyen shop. As to who was the originator I have no clue. Dave doe not know either only that they are one of the several kinds of re-de cappers made by the Peterson/Schoyen shop. Cheers, Laurie Vall, are you ready to say UNCLE yet? Lol ! Sorry but the forum is so dead I thought it might liven things up if I yank your chain a little Joe.

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