Hi All !!!

There are some good threads running right now about breach-seating, free-bore and throated vs non-throated rifled bore’s. 

For a number of years I have wondered about the breach seating of a 45-70 for the purpose of starting the bullet in the best position of its chartered path.. However, all those that I have talked to have said no, you can’t, “the 45-70 is too large to breach-seat” !!!  At 1400 fps, time spent in the barrel must bridge on a nano-second.. (lol) Do we really think the bullet will center itself in that time ???

This just drives me nuts when I think of all the Naval and large Coastal Gun’s that load the projectile, followed by loads of guncotton that fire at targets well over thirty-five miles away.. It would be interesting to hear from someone with knowledge of these gun’s to describe their dynamic’s and load configuration of these ultimate single shot weapons.. 

I would also like to ask for any up-dated opinion’s on the use of the breach-seating method for those larger caliber systems (that we use here today)..

Thanks !!!

Ed…

Hi Joe !!!

Is it not practical because a .45 caliber is not considered a “target” round and should we not try to obtain the best from what we have ???

No beef here, just looking for some imput..

Ed…

Dear Joe and Ken !!!

I do appreciate your input but my quarry was directed toward those who have actually participated in bench seating the larger size (.45 & up) loads for the purpose of accuracy. This to dispel the myth of “bullet being too large”..

Inside the borders of the USA, there are many events held every year that do challenge the shooter in the 45-70 category..  As this is a WWW site, I would look forward to hearing from our brothers and sisters from all corners of the Globe who have actually tested this method and can report their results.. This would include paper-patch, load from the breach, load from the muzzle even the venerable “slug-gun” if rules could apply..

Thanks again !!!

Ed..

A few years back an full blown bench gun in .45-70 was trtied. It did not win everything and the recoil after a few hundred shots must have been "Exedrin headache number 99" It's not that a .45-70 won't shoot as good as anything else. It is why bother when you just use more powder and lead for something that does not shoot any better. I would also think that shooting a 500 grain at over 1400FPS would be quite unpleasant for all concerned.

P.S. This has been mentioned before but: Please don't refer to our Single Shot Target Rifles as "weapons"'.

Hi QB !!!

You said:

“P.S. This has been mentioned before but: Please don't refer to our Single Shot Target Rifles as "weapons"'.”

I said:

“It would be interesting to hear from someone with knowledge of these gun’s to describe their dynamic’s and load configuration of these ultimate single shot weapons”..  If you read the entire paragraph yo would see I was referring to the Naval and Coastal Guns..

Joe:  I read your post as you had experience with your 40-65 and oh yea, I do have a mold in 45-70 as well..

QB: I’m still looking for someone with practical experience !!! Old stories need not apply…  No disrespect implied… 

Steve:  Thanks for the imput !!!

Ed….

Joe !!!

No, its not an old story, its an experience !!!  I just wish you had said that in your first post !!!

8>))

Geez Ken........yer just an ole farm hand mendin fence and I'm an old retired construction worker. It's no darn wonder we dont know nothin!  

I dont know about you but I don't have to take this guff. I think I'll start my very own thread........... Soon as I figure out a good topic. 

Maybe an ole timers yarnin thread. Liein, yarnin and stretchin the truth will be encouraged. Yes, I think I have an idea.  

Wheres my camera?  

While you wait for the new thread, here's a picture of my own personal ten inch coastal defense gun. I keep the breach block in the shop so nobody can shoot it when I'm not around. 

                                      Joe.


                                                                                                         

Joe: 

So if I put hydraulic recoil shocks on my 45-70 maybe I can shoot 500 grains with smokeless powder and still manage to shoot 100 rounds in a match? Or should a softer recoil pad be sufficient Joe? Not sure where to locate the shock mounts though? But would this qualify under traditional rules?