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New Toy: Borchardt
Mar 9th, 2009 at 2:43pm
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I picked up a new toy this weekend, sorry no pictures. Its a rebuilt Sharps Borchardt with pistol grip(new tiger maple) stock and forearm in the early long range pattern. Has a Badger ballel in 45 2 7/8, 28"long of about a number 4 or maybe 5 weight Winchester. MVA mid range tang sight with an Axtell removable tang. Somebody put a lot of work into this. Came with dies and 400 rounds of loaded ammo. Had to pull the ammo as I don't know what it is. Had short pointy projectiles with a lead tip and a funny copper thing on them. Ended up with 2 1/2 lbs of some kind of smokless stuff, no idea what it is. So I'll get some more black and dig out my stash of Postell bullets and load em up. 50 of the total is supposed to be black as they have a lead bullet in them. So when I get some time on the range its off to see the wizard.  Shocked I'm not so sure I'll keep this barrel on the rifle as I'm not too keen on it, but it is in new condition so I want to see what it does.
Now for the interesting part. Serial number is in the 188XX range and stamped in the usual place on the side of the frame but much deeper then the Sharps Legend markings(almost washed out). Below the serial number(never seen this before) is:
                            Pat. DFC 1876.

Question I now have is; Has anyone ever seen this marking before and what is the significance? 
  Only thing I can come up with is David F Clark the weapons inspecter. But why would he have marked this rifle? If that is indeed him. And why Pat. is this short for patent. Does this person have some kind of patent holding on this riflefrom 1876? 
There's some history here that I sure could use some help on. As I know theres a lot of knowledgeable people out there. Thanks in advance for any information that may be out there. 
Oh! almost forgot, theres a number stamped(69) on the side of the extension for the stock bolt.
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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #1 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 4:42pm
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Rusty,

I haven't been able to track down any reference to Pat. DFC 1876. Was the person you bought it from the one who had it customised? If he was, ask him if he still has the original barrel and stock parts. There may be markings on them that may help. Pat. is certainly the accepted abbreviation of the word Patent.

Unless your rifle Serial No., can be lettered, it's difficult even to know what model of 1878 your rifle started life as. Many Borchardt serial no's cannot be found as the serial numbers were poorly recorded.

A Dr. Labowski is the current owner of the Sharps Factory Records. Lettering isn't cheap, I believe he charges about US$200.00. However, I do understand that he will give you the details over the phone, so have a paper and pen at hand before you contact him. 

Now the bad news, I've lost his contact address, but I'm sure someone else on this forum will have it.

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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2009 at 11:23pm
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DFC=Documentation Foundation Classes???
It has something to do with what class a patent is applied for I think? Maybe this is a way of saying patent pending back then?
  

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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #3 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 6:48pm
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Thanks Harry and Marlinguy for your input. Smiley I think maybe it has been solved. On page 177 in Grants first book there is a picture of one with the same marking. The statement in the book says that this rifle had been returned to the Sharps factory for some work. Then just maybe its the mark of a reworked rifle at the Sharps factory. Exactly how it is interpreted is still in question. But I accept that it is a rework mark.                                             
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Reply #4 - Mar 10th, 2009 at 8:49pm
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Well that's pretty neat too! I'll have to go take a look at Grant's book.-Vall
  

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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 1:54pm
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MORE INFORMATION UNCOVERED;
THE US PATENT OFFICE SAYS;

                          DFC= DESIGN FOR CHANGE

WELL THATS CERTAINLY INTERESTING ALSO;SO AS IT STANDS NOW

PAT.=PATENT
DFC=DESIGN FOR CHANGE
1876=1876 YEAR OF PATENT

DON'T WE LIKE CHASING THESE OLD THINGS, WHAT FUN


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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2009 at 5:58pm
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Don
How much is a gun like that bringing on the open market????
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2009 at 3:24pm
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rustyrelx wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 1:54pm:
MORE INFORMATION UNCOVERED;
THE US PATENT OFFICE SAYS;

                          DFC= DESIGN FOR CHANGE

WELL THATS CERTAINLY INTERESTING ALSO;SO AS IT STANDS NOW

PAT.=PATENT
DFC=DESIGN FOR CHANGE
1876=1876 YEAR OF PATENT

DON'T WE LIKE CHASING THESE OLD THINGS, WHAT FUN


                   DON                                      rustyrelx


Hello Don,

Borchardts original 'Patent' for the 1878 Model Sharps Rifle was actually patented in 1876. See:-

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There are three pages of drawings and two of description. The patent application was filed on October 17th. 1876 and was granted on December 26th. 1876.

The patent drawings are very interesting,  as they show the 'Borchardt' in its original design format, rather than the later production version.  The most notable difference is that the original design had a slant breech.

There are in fact many design changes throughout the action as anyone familiar with this design will immediately recognise.

A second 'Patent' applied for on the 20th. July 1877, which was granted on 23 July 1878 is much closer to the final production model, only the safety catch needed modification. See Patent No. 206,217. See:-

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It would appear that the lettering in the original query is therefore correct, however, it is not mentioned by Sellers in his monograph on Sharps Firearms. The only trace of the 'DFC 1876' I can find is in this forum. I have been researching Borchardts for more years that I like to remember and the number of Borchardt Rifles so marked must be very few indeed, which gives it added collector value.

Still, it's yet another snippet of information to add to the growing list of Borchardt data.

Harry  
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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #8 - Mar 18th, 2009 at 6:30pm
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Harry:  Since viewing mine I have now seen 3 with this marking. I do enjoy the chase and digging around for information.
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Reply #9 - Mar 19th, 2009 at 3:27pm
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rustyrelx wrote on Mar 18th, 2009 at 6:30pm:
Harry:  Since viewing mine I have now seen 3 with this marking. I do enjoy the chase and digging around for information.
    Don       rustyrelx


You and me both Rusty. Research is never ending, but if we glean just some knowledge and can pass it on, it does help future researchers.

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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #10 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 10:49am
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Greetings from Finland! This is my first post in this forum and I must say that I have learned a lot about single shot rifles reading your great posts!

I bought a Sharps Borchardt 1878 Military 45-70 with the PAT DFC. 1876 marking. The production number is 187XX. I will try to post a picture, lets see if it´s going to work out...

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Reply #11 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 1:22pm
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Welcome to the Forum Duett, It's nice to see there's another Borchardt Rifle fan over here in Europe.

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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #12 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 8:03pm
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tommyauger wrote on Mar 11th, 2009 at 5:58pm:
Don
How much is a gun like that bringing on the open market????


How much money did you earn last month ?  Wink
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 19th, 2009 at 10:39pm
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As to price, don't ask me;  I always pay too much.  But Duett, is that an original ramrod?  Very cool.  reindeer
  
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Re: New Toy: Borchardt
Reply #14 - Apr 20th, 2009 at 4:45am
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Hello reindeer, yes we all pay to much for our toys, but in this case I have a gun that I can pass to my son someday and by then it will probably be worth quite a lot more  Cool

The ramrod is not original, as far as I know...
  
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