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duzrock
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New to single shots
Mar 3rd, 2009 at 10:42pm
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Just was given a winchester low wall in 25-20 S.S. with a couple of boxes of new ammo. The rifle appears to be in excellent condition and was wondering if I should shoot it or not. Is it safe to shoot or will that hurt its value by firing,(don't really know its worth).. Any suggestions??
  
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Re: New to single shots
Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 11:14pm
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Welcome,
The ASSRA has always been a shooting/collecting organization. As such I suspect that most of us get a thrill out of shooting the rifles which we collect and never really considered it damaging to use a rifle for shooting targets. After all, if you use a little care there should be basically no wear and tear on the rifles and they are known to never wear out the barrels when used with light loads and plain base cast bullets such as is our way. Unless your rifle is in the unfired to 99% plus condition, there should be no harm in shooting it. It does not sound like a particularly rare model, though you might want to describe it more so that we know for certain(hint).
This sort of rifle is the reason that I originally formed the Quarter Bore Corps. A reason to get these, fun to shoot little rifles out and get them shooting.
Again welcome and please join our organization if you have not already done so. We have many knowledgeable members willing to help you get started shooting your old single shot.
  
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Re: New to single shots
Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 11:15pm
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If it was mine I would shoot it and have fun with it. It is a neat caliber and fun to shoot. With reasonable care you will not hurt the gun.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 7:31am
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duzrock;
             "welcome"   I agree with the others ,shoot your Low wall, but I am wondering how much those new boxes of 25/20SS may be worth to a collector.   leadball
  
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Re: New to single shots
Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 8:14am
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Rifles are tools and tools are ment to be used. The 25-20 SS is a safe cartridge for the low wall and as long as it is sound you should have no trouble. You will have a lot more fun with it shooting than just looking at it.

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Re: New to single shots
Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 10:29am
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Duzrock,

     I agree with all of what has been said before in this thread, and it has come from some very experienced shooters of the caliber and that rifle.  As has been said, if it has been shot at all, shooting it with target ammo now will have no further negative impact on the value.  What I would suggest is that after firing the "new" ammo the first time, you immediately clean the rifle and the brass VERRRY well.  A lot of the ammo loaded for this rifle had corrosive primers and since no American manufacturer has loaded this round for years, even some that appears new may in fact be very old.  If the ammo truly is new, ignore the preceding and go on to the next point.

     Most factory ammo has jacketed bullets.  Shooting a couple of boxes of these will not do a lot of damage, but I would seek out a good .257 lead bullet mould in the 85-90 gr size to get a bullet I could shoot forever with mild loads.  I am in the process of building a custom version of the same rifle you have, and already have an original high-wall in the caliber, so I am a truly kindred spirit!

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Re: New to single shots
Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 7:32pm
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duzrock, shooting that Rifle should be a lot of fun. It has been mentioned in your responses that new ammo in factory boxes may have some value to collectors. This is most likely true. The other issue is how new??? If it is old original loads it could well be Black Powder loads. That in itself is not necessarily bad. BUT! if it is old enough it could be loaded with Mercuric Primers. That is bad. Shooting Mercuric primed shells can be overcome by serious cleaning. But once a Shell has been fired with a mercuric Primer the shell is forever damaged as the Mercury fouling becomes part of the shell brass and will eventually fail if reloaded and shot enough. I would suggest that you examine the Shell boxes very closely and see if you can find any kind of Date of manufacure or an indication of such. If it goes too far back into the very early 1900s I would consider it suspect. You would be far better to sell this brass to a cartridge collector  for a princley sum and buy some modern manufactured brass. It will most likely be stronger and not loaded with some corrosive materials such as "primers, Mercuric or corrosive" or Black powder or some of the early smokeless powders that also were nasty.  Consider this seriously as a Rifle in very good condition that is shot with nasty primers or Powder and then not really cleaned thoughroly that ends up with a damaged bore will lose value at a rate you just cannot believe. The rule of thumb with serious collectors
is "CONDITION" CONDITION" CONDITION" And bright shiny bore condition is one of the top issues even though the collectors have no intention of ever shooting the Rifle. I hope this helps, Regards, FITZ Smiley
P.S. I also would like to mention that Factory Ammo in SEALED boxes is especially prized. If you decide not to use this Ammo for any of the reasons I have mentioned do not break open the boxes. FITZ.
  

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Re: New to single shots
Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2009 at 8:03pm
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Welcome to ASSRA! Always good to have another singleshot guy here!
I don't think there's much in life that gives me as much pleasure as shooting an old singleshot rifle! I would highly reccommend shooting the Winchester, but not with ammo that is original. If the "new" ammo is truly very newly made, and not new old stock, then have at it. If it's new old stock, then keep it with the gun and find some other recently loaded ammo to shoot.
If you don't reload, then GAD Custom Loading has loaded ammo for reasonable prices in numerous odd chamberings. I don't see .25-20SS on their list, but you might contact them and see if they can make some up.-Vall
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Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 7:47am
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Thanks for the replies. The ammo I have is from Quality Cartridge and is 86 GR. SP.  Modern ammo.(and I found out rather expenseive).
Now I need to find a source for dies and brass..Any suggestions??
  
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Re: New to single shots
Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 8:03am
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Buffalo Arms has dies, Rocky Mountain Cartridge for brass stay away from the Bertram brass it's junk. 

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Reply #10 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 6:51pm
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Thanks 
Happy Shooting
  
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