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32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Feb 27th, 2009 at 3:36pm
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I don't have any experience with the 32-20. But, was thinking about re-barreling a 44 1/2 in this cartridge. I haven't noticed anyone talking about this cartridge here and wondered if it was considered a accurate one.
  
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #1 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 4:08pm
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I shoot a 30 caliber 32-20 (.308 bore) with a 12" twist barrel in a Ruger No. 3 set up as a Schuetzen rifle.  I breech seat 190 gr. bullets, & at 100 yards from the bench I've gotten groups in the .700" range for five shots fairly regularly.  The original .312" barrel configuration with a slow twist isn't really more than a small game cartridge.   

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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #2 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 6:51pm
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I've always had a love affair with the .32-20, and I own 8 or 9 guns chambered in this caliber. I've got a Stevens 44 that is a tack driver, plus numerous Marlins, pistols, and a Ballard. 
I don't think I've ever owned a bad shooting .32-20 if the bore was good.
  

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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 7:30pm
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Don, 

     I've had several firearms in .32-20, in fact I have a hard time remembering just how many because they seem to pass through my hands so quickly that I don't get a chance to really wring them out or get attached to them.  I still like the idea, but I don't have one now, and have actually gotten away from pistol class rifles or shooting revolvers, so I don't know whether I will be getting another one any time soon.   

     One salient point, when I talked to Skeeter Skelton at his last public appearance about the then-available T-C Contender barrels in .32-20, he steered me toward the new .32 H&R Magnum as being easier to load and ballistically just as good.  Of course if you want to be "classic," this doesn't work for you, but otherwise any barrel blank that would be a good .32-20 would be just as good as a .32 Mag (or even the newer .327 Mag.)  Just a FYI to stir the pot.  Maybe we can talk it over more @ Ft Shenandoah.   Wink

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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2009 at 8:28pm
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Having rifles in 32-20, 32H&R and 32 S&W Long, by far, the 32-20 has the most potential for top power and accuracy IMHO. The old high velocity loadings for the 32-20 will launch 115gr bullets at 1900fps where the 32 H&R will show signs of pressure at 1500fps. Now I understand that top velocities will not always make top accuracy and I rarely push max loads even though the Marlin 1894 rifles that I have will take it and more. 

If you think you need to use all the pressure room you have, go for the 32-20. A choice Charlie mentioned is the new .327 Magnum which based on early reports, may be the best choice. Pressure wise the .327 Magnum is at 40,000psi but on a 44 1/2 should not be an issue. Only problem now is that only loaded ammo is available.
  
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #5 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 8:45am
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If you are considering this project you should contact Paul Shuttleworth at CPA. He is shooting a bench gun in 32-20 with a 308 barrel, and doing quite well with it. Paul may be able to save you a lot of time and money.

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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #6 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 9:07am
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Henpeckedmuch,
I beleive the differences in the answers that you are seeing is due to the fact that you have not mentioned exactly what you are looking for. Are you looking for a serious benchrest single shot capable of shooting 250's or are you thinking of a rifle to take to the woods or as a varmint rifle. Are you thinking of breech seated bullets? The difference can make all the difference in the world as far as how a recomendation goes. Hope that helps. Cheesy
  
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #7 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 9:08am
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One further note, the original .32-20 groove diameter was .311-.314" (usually not at the largest diameter, but certainly more than the currently popular .308.)  It seems that the easy availability of .308 barrel blanks and the large variety of .308 bullets has made the modern variant, which could actually be called a ".30-20," more popular.  I personally have no experience with the latter, but am very pleased with the limited results I got with the old Ideal 3118 (now Lyman 311008) bullet in the original bores. 

Of all the high-walls that have passed through my hands, the one I would most like to have back is the 95% condition second or third year production rifle with #! octagon barrel I foolishly sold off early in my single shot "career!"  Cry

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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #8 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 2:13pm
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I've owned Colt pistols in 32-20 aka 32WCF, as I recall the 32-20 was the the 357 Magnum of it's time. The 32-20 case has a slightly tapered neck, the 32 Ideal was a longer streight-sided version of the 32-20 and used a .323 bullet. Does anyone make a reamer to cut a streighter 32-20 chamber for the .323 bullet? It seems like either the 32-20 or 32 Ideal with a .323 bullet and a turn in 14" barrel should work very well. Has anyone tried this?

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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #9 - Feb 28th, 2009 at 3:12pm
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Being the owner of a BSA 12/15 rebarreled with a take-off Schultz and Larsen .308 1:15" twist barrel, I would have to confirm that the 32 (30)-20 can be extremely accurate and versatile - from 25yd gallery rifle to 200yd prone work, it is equally suited to it.
For the 1st a 110gr RN lead bullet, and for the latter, a 147 HPBT spitzer with a healthy charge of that new-fangled nitro powder.  This is one of my most versatile rifles.
  
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 12:00pm
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Paul Shuttleworth chambered a.323 RKS barrel for my 441/2 in 32-20 that  shoots extremely well.  He also chambered a set of lyman 32-20 dies so I can resize cases and shoot case loaded bullets.  Mostly I breech seat the Hoch 207 gr. bullet,  but often for just offhand practice it is very convenient to shoot a case load.  I like it very much.  Its very happpy at velocities just under 1400 fps.  Smiley
  
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 6:01pm
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RAPUD,
What distances are you shooting with the 32-20?
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Re: 32-20 is this cartridge considered accurate?
Reply #12 - Mar 7th, 2009 at 3:43am
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The 32-20  CPA is pretty much a 200 yd. cartridge, and performs like the 32 Miller short.  All you do is run your 32 sizer into the mouth of a 32-20 case and you are good to go.  The powder capacity is slightly less than the Miller short.  I was shooting some case loaded off hand loads yesterday  at 100 yds., and they shot only slightly off from the breech seated loads.  A sweetheart of a cartridge for schuetzen.   
As I stated, it pretty much likes  to be around 1400 fps.  With WC820or N110 and Fed 205M or CCI BR4  primers, it will shoot under a minute of angle.  I haven't tried light squib loads for indoor shooting, but Paul says it works fine.  At 1-12, I suspect my twist is too fast for very light bullets, say 90 gr. or so.  The lightest wt mold I have is 170 gr and they work good outdoors.  Breech seated, the Hoch 208 delivers the best groups.
The thing I like about the 32-20 CPA is that is has enough neck to case load if you wish, not so for the Miller short.  Case prep is a minimum and readily available.
  
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