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Reply #30 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 9:24pm
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Unertl BV's adjust Parallax in front of the Ocular lens.  Could be Feckers patent had run out by then,  BV's were about the last Unertls made.

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Reply #31 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 11:43pm
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  Boats,
I just checked the Unertl Group and they say that the BV-20 came out in 1970 and were discontinued  in 2000, in fact they say all Unertl scopes that were made at the original PA factory were discontinued in 2000.
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Reply #32 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 6:26pm
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New member - old old thread.

I have an interest in American long scopes and tried to load the KAF article on Fecker referred to earlier in this thread - without success. Sad - the link doesn't for me.

I would be very gratefull if anyone could direct me to a link or a copy.

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Reply #33 - Jul 24th, 2015 at 8:00pm
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Both the Unertl Small Game Scope and the 1" Target Scope included a mechanism to adjust parallax by moving the erector cell.

The 1" Target Scope was unique in that parallax could be adjusted by moving the objective lens and by moving the erector cell.

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Reply #34 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 5:24am
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Thanks Jack
I asked because, several years ago, I bought a very nice scope without any indication of maker and , as the central adjuster was of a different profile to the normal Fecker scopes, came to the conclusion it wasn't a Fecker. I did a fair amount of searching of which the following thread summarised most of what I had learned.

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Two things of possible interest I was told:-
1. It could have been made in a small batch by El Monte? of California - anyone any knowledge/info???
2. The Fecker company/name? was eventually sold to Japanese firm who then produced some similar scopes.

Still trying to get KAF's article Cry

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Reply #35 - Jul 25th, 2015 at 8:23am
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It may have been made by Simmone in California.  You don't see many of them . There have been two sold on Ebay.
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Reply #36 - Jul 28th, 2015 at 9:33am
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Quote:

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Like I've said,
"I am under the impression that the ASSRA is about traditional single shot rifles and lead bullets, therefore I'm really surprised that they allow internal adjusted scopes" 

 I still think it's odd that if  ASSRA is trying to keep the rifles as traditional looking as possible why would a scope like a Night Force, a Weaver T-36 , or any other internal adjusted scope be allowed.

From pictures that I have seen of Schuetzen rifles and matches  even into the late 1930's, I can honestly say that I have never seen any Schuetzen rifles with internally adjustable scopes on them. Do you know when internally adjustable scopes were first available ?.
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I have an old 'scope which is certainly not externally adjustable, unless you consider the tapping-over of dovetails as 'adjustment'.

I haven't examined it to see if the reticle can be moved, though I will - but don't wait up. I'd estimate that it is x2 magnification and is in the form of a long, thin tube.

The ocular is spring-mounted so that when you use it mounted on something hefty (like the 4-bore rifle I'm restoring, perhaps), the eyepiece doesn't give you, at best, a black eye.

I have a similar but chunkier one without the sprung ocular. Both of these have 'cross-hairs' engraved on glass.

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Reply #37 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 10:29am
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Trying to figure out how that Simmone scope works. Is it variable magnification? Never seen that on an external adjusted scope but guess it could be done.
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Reply #38 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 11:41am
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Thanks Jack
I asked because, several years ago, I bought a very nice scope without any indication of maker and , as the central adjuster was of a different profile to the normal Fecker scopes, came to the conclusion it wasn't a Fecker. I did a fair amount of searching of which the following thread summarised most of what I had learned.

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Two things of possible interest I was told:-
1. It could have been made in a small batch by El Monte? of California - anyone any knowledge/info???
2. The Fecker company/name? was eventually sold to Japanese firm who then produced some similar scopes.

Still trying to get KAF's article Cry

Regards
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I owned one of these scopes. I too, tried to find out who made it w/o any answers. They are not Simmone's. The Simmone parallax adjustment is entirely different and I think a better design.

This is the link to my inquirey:

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They are a quality made scope, especially the mounts. They have Fecker/Unertl type adjustment knobs but, the body is machined from billet aluminum and anodized.

Mine had (I still have the box) a box just like the one pictured in the Rimfire Central thread and had slide on lens caps (a excellent feature) but, mine was 20X but, not marked in any way. I traded mine for a STS, last year.

I would still like to know who made them if you find out anything.

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Reply #39 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 12:09pm
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Chuck,
Mossberg had a 3x6 variable from 1938 - 40.

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Reply #40 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 1:00pm
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And Stevens made the 3/4" tubed "Multiscope" No. 575 (6 Diameters to 12 Diameters power range), available with either single or double micrometer external mounts.

Stevens also produced the 3/4" tubed "Wide Angle" Telescope No. 490 (3 Diameters, Angle of Field 4 Degrees), No. 495 (3 Diameters, Angle of Field 5 Degrees), No. 500 (3 Diameters, Angle of Field 7 Degrees) and No. 505 (3 Diameters, Angle of Field 10 Degrees).

  

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Reply #41 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 3:28pm
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I have seen reference to some kind of article on scopes that I was to have penned, I'd be very interested in seeing it too, since I have no clue about it.
  
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Reply #42 - Jul 29th, 2015 at 6:48pm
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I found this on the El Monte Scope distributed by Simmone. I hope it is readable.
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