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Re: Comparing target scopes
Reply #15 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 7:58am
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I stand corrected. I assumed and you all know what that does instead of checking my facts I said that Unertl's frist job was at Fecker. It was his first job in the US. 
I still think that the design of the Fecker with the adjustments in the middle instead of out on the end is superior to scopes who put it out at the end so you can't keep ypur eye in the scope as you adjust.

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Reply #16 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:12pm
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Thanks a bunch for all your suggestions.  As I suspected, everyone has their favorites for a variety of reasons.  Sounds like all have been satisfactory for various users.  I have had good success with my Redfield 3200's (that some do not like at all),  but I think I want a more classic look on the CPA schuetzen.  Leaning toward a JW Fecker right now.  The hunt begins for a good one.  Thanks again.
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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2009 at 9:08pm
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There's a Fecker for sale here in the for sale section!
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 8:40am
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Redfield 3200 is the only Target Scope I have not spent some time with. Always wanted to give one a try.

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Re: Comparing target scopes
Reply #19 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 3:58pm
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Boats, 

     It's a shame you couldn't be at the last CSV match.  I had a Unertl BV-20, a Balvar 24 and a Redfield 3200 set up on rifles side by side on benches.  Everyone there on Saturday got a chance to compare the 3 and see which they liked or disliked most.  Maybe I can get Dirty Ernie to bring his 3200 to our June shoot.  I have "your name in the pot" for that match already!  Wink

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Reply #20 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 10:13pm
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Gentleman you would be hard pressed to buy a better scope than the Night Force 12x42 Benchrest model. I don't attend to hurt anyone's feelings but the external adjustable do have an issue with point of impact changes. If the old fellows of this sport where still alive I believe they would have jumped on the changes in technology.

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Reply #21 - Feb 7th, 2009 at 11:55pm
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J.Louis,
Your statement is probably correct,.

"If the old fellows of this sport where still alive I believe they would have jumped on the changes in technology", 

That being the case they also probably would have abandon the traditional single shot rifle long ago and gone to the Bolt Action and Jacketed Bullets. 

I am under the impression that the ASSRA is about traditional single shot rifles and lead bullets, therefore I'm really surprised that they allow internal adjusted scopes at all. 

If the object is to preserve the idea of shooting lead bullets in traditional single shot rifles along with traditional equipment then I don't believe internal adjusted scopes should be allowed.

 If the object is to use or shoot the best equipment and components,  then of course internal adjusted scopes would be ok and lead bullets should be something that the "old fellows" used years ago and is no longer used by shooters with modern equipment such as internal adjusted scopes. 

Yes, external adjustable may have  issues with point of impact changes, so what,  lead bullets have issues also, but as long as the rules are the same for everyone it's a level playing field. Shooting a modern Night Force scope against a traditional external adjustable  "old fellows" scope does not sound like a level playing field to me.

Almost sounds like a double standard.
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Reply #22 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 12:23pm
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Sitting far away in another country, I find the above attitude slightly odd. My oldest scope is an internally adjustable German one which fits on my very traditional German Schutzen rifle. Externally adjustable scopes are still in production. Has no progress been made with these? If you ban internally adjustable scopes, modern externally adjustable ones with lenses made on computer controlled grinding machines should go the same way!
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Reply #23 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 2:50pm
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I agree with Set Trigger on this one. Why do we ban bolt actions and jacketed bullets, but then we allow any sort of singleshot with internal or external hammer, even if the design is new and not like anything ever made in the early days of singleshots? Why do we allow any sort of scope design? 
I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, but it seems there are numerous shooting venues for all sorts of rifles, bullets and scopes, but we tend to pick certain things that are OK, while banning other things from the same era?
I wouldn't go so far as to say everyone needs to shoot an original, in original caliber, with original optics, but I see no problem with an external adjustment rule, and repros of original period actions. Smiley
  

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Reply #24 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 5:59pm
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Fred,
I don't think anyone is talking about banning internally adjusted scopes, from what I've heard more than enough banning has already been done.

Like I've said,
"I am under the impression that the ASSRA is about traditional single shot rifles and lead bullets, therefore I'm really surprised that they allow internal adjusted scopes" 

  I still think it's odd that if  ASSRA is trying to keep the rifles as traditional looking as possible why would a scope like a Night Force, a Weaver T-36 , or any other internal adjusted scope be allowed.

From pictures that I have seen of Schuetzen rifles and matches  even into the late 1930's, I can honestly say that I have never seen any Schuetzen rifles with internally adjustable scopes on them. Do you know when internally adjustable scopes were first available ?.

I've been told that even when using Iron Sights most that are click adjustable are not allowed, if this is so that's why I was surprised that they allow internal adjusted scopes.
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Reply #25 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 6:42pm
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Just for my two cents worth. Fecker as far as I know made the only scope with that adjustment ring. And he also is probably the only scope maker to make LARGE commercial telescopes. His telescopes are still in use today and are highly thought of by those odd folks who stare at stars.
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Re: Comparing target scopes
Reply #26 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 7:21pm
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Well, banning internaly adjusted scopes would certainly free up a lot of benches at the matches; banning Millers, Rugers, Perigrines, and others of their ilk a few more..., something to think about. Embarrassed
  

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Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 7:37pm
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Jeff,
That's exactly why I said to Fred that I didn't think anyone was talking about banning internally adjusted scopes, or anything else, I don't think there's a problem with freeing up benches, there always seems to be room without banning anything.
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Reply #28 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 8:02pm
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I have wondered why the scions of Fecker did not carry on the central adjustment feature. Was it a Fecker patent, or just too complex?
  
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Re: Comparing target scopes
Reply #29 - Feb 8th, 2009 at 8:18pm
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I think it was a little to complex for the others to follow suit, and your right, I think Fecker had a patent on it too. I own two Feckers and when possible will purchase another as they sure are sweet. I have used all of the other brands over the years, and a Fecker to me and alot of others is still the best availble. And the best thing is they are still inexpensive when compared with a Unertl. When Unertle started his company he had to purchase the mounts from Fecker as they were by far the very best availible in that time frame. I bet that got to old John Unertl until he came up with his own mounts.
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