I am looking to acquire a new scope for my CPA.  Thought I would like to have an externally adjusted scope preferrable not a real heavy one.  Gun already has blocks.  I have or have used Unertl and Redfield 3200, but have no experience with Lyman, Litschert, and Fecker.  What are the pros and cons of these various scopes for target use?  How do they compare quality and usability wise.  Thanks for any help here.
Jim

i own unertls, lyman's, and a  litscherts. of the theree types i actually like the litschert. if i could fit it I would hang my night force on one.
irish

Probably the most overlooked target scopes are the externally adjustable Tasco models made in the 1960's.  These scopes are a knockoff of the Bausch & Lomb target scopes of the same era, with a conventional mounting/adjusting system.  I have a 6x18 and a 24 power, they are more clear than my Unertl and Super Targetspot.  There are a few potential problems with them, though...they are big & heavy and the mounts are not as hard as the aluminum that Unertl and Lyman used.  Also the crosshairs are in a medium size and nobody wants to change them or put in a dot.  But, because the crosshairs are larger, I can see them when my fine ones on the Unertl wash out.   

David
Montezuma, IA

You are correct Set Trigger! John Unertl was a very talented lense maker when he arrived here, and was hired by Fecker because he already knew the business well. 
I'm also sure that he honed his skills even more while at Fecker, and eventually got the idea he could do this himself and make even more money!

marlinguy wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 7:28pm:


marlinguy,
That's the story told to me by Elsie Unertl, Johns wife, years ago when I was writing some history on the Co. just before John Unertl passed away. 

She also said that John made some of his first scopes at home while he was still working at Fecker. I have no reason to doubt her but knowing that sometimes memories fade with older people I thought that maybe 40 Rod had some type of document or Info that showed otherwise.

40 Rod, just to keep the record straight, can you tell us where you got the Info or idea that Fecker was where John Unertl learned the trade. 
 ST

KAF posted this 17 Dec 08 - it is an arcticle on Fecker.

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  rimfire,
Thanks for the link, and Thanks to KAF for bringing it to the attention of the members here. It was a very informative article and a worthwhile read.

But it does not address the question as to where 40 Rod came up with the Info that John Unertl learned his trade at Fecker.

Like the article said, Unertl's departure in 1934 was only part of the brain-drain that afflicted Fecker, ( interesting that the writer considered Unertl one of the "brains" at Fecker )  then when the chief optician, Hageman, and his very able son Wray, both went to Lyman that could not have helped Fecker in any way, also interesting was that the article mentioned that in the early 1950's Unertl was selling as many if not more target scopes than either Lyman or Fecker, very interesting.
  ST

Have owned several Unertils and currenty use a 12 X on my 38/55 Schuetzen.  Need the extra eye relief the 12 has over my main Schuetzen offhand scope.  While the Unertils are great scopes prices are way inflated. 

Most of my shooting is with a Gil Parsons/Lyman STS 20x.  It's as good as I can get. 

Excluding external Adjustments though best target scope ever made for offhand or positon is the El Paso Weaver T model.  I use a couple of modern Leopolds in Silouette and have no love for them.   

Boats