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Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:31am
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Can anyone  recomend  a good  brand name  lathe?  Also a good  size for gunsmithing use. Any  body have experiance with SHOP FOX?      THANKS  J.B.
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 9:42am
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JB I have a Monarck 10EE,a Sheldon,a Bradford and a South Bend and everyone of them are great.So if you are going to buy a used one Buy for condition and the tooling with it. And the cost of future tooling. If you are not sure on your inatial judgement. GET a friend to help.
If buying a new one I have heard good things about the new Gunssmith's Lathe by Grizzly. Model # G4003G.Check it out. And if I can help you just drop me a PM. Whitey
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 9:56am
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JB

The first question that you need to answer is “what am I going to be doing with this lathe”?   Am I going to be making small parts or am I going to make rifle barrels? 

For small parts & pistol barrels, one of the small import lathes will probably work fine for you; if it’s the latter, you need a large lathe.. and one with some mass (weight), and a decent hole in the headstock. 

I’ve got three lathes in the shop:  a small Chinese lathe, that I use mostly for polishing small parts,  a 10 x 36 Sheldon,  and a 14 x 40 which I use for barrel work. 

I will say that American quality is better than import, but the majority of manual American lathes that I’ve run across lately have be pretty worn.   

I’m sure a lot of forum members are lathe owners/users, so give us an idea of what you needs are, and price range, we can provide more feedback. 

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Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:10am
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My lathe is an 11x24" Rockwell, ca. 1965, that will do everything but cut metric threads and taper longer barrels.  Since I got it in trade for a Martini Cadet rifle, I don't complain about it.  If I had room (and dollars) I would look at the Grizzly Gunsmithing lathes for a new machine, since they're set up out of the box with features that have had to be shop-made.  Practical size for barrel work includes at least 36" between centers and 1 3/8" through the spindle.  Chinese lathes run the gamut from excellent buys to cr@p.  You do have to go through them, no matter who imported them, and check for proper setup and trash in gearboxes, etc.  If you can stand looking at another forum, you may want to check out the Home Shop Machinist one at bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/.

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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:29am
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If someone wants to come to Colo.And wants a South Bend Model A 9X24?. With Qujick Change, Collet closer 3 @4 Jaw chuck. AS CLOSE TO NEW AS YOU CAN GET. I will be haveing one for sale. Whitey
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:51pm
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   Hey Whitey, a P.M. has been sent.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 2:38pm
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Thanks for your replies.  It would be used for making small parts and learing how to use a lathe. Dont  want  to get a lot of money in it, but dont want junk either. I  try and take care of my tools and like to buy ones that last.            J.B.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 3:46pm
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One of the Home Machinst magazines a few issues back had a good review of the Grizzly gunsmiths lathe written by Steve Aker.  If new it's the one to have cost vs ablity.

Home shop and general fooling with I was looking for the same thing, Ended up with a Sears Atlas 12 inch. It had been taken care of, one owner and had all the accessories.  After a year can say they are not the best lathe out there but works pretty good. Big following on the internet and lots of spares and replacement parts avalable. I only needed to replace one handle but if you need something it's possable to get it either origional or new made.

I have about 1000 bucks tied up tooling rebuilt motor and all. Was pretty well set up prior with 1 1/2 inch x 8 & #2 M/T  chucks since thats what my Powermatic wood lathe uses.  Bore is not large enough to chuck rifle barrels through but any small job it has been able to do fine.  I wish I had gone ahead and spent 3 times that amount for a commercial grade though. May still and if so think I could get most of the cash out of the Atlas.

As has been said if used buy condition, beyond that look for tooling and accessories.  Get close to the price of that Grizley might as well buy new.

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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 4:43pm
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After looking at several worn-out american lathes that i could afford I bought a new 13/40 Grizzly and have been completely satified, if I were buying today it would be the Grizz;y Gunsmithing model, this model comes with an out-board chuck.   leadball
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 6:26pm
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Any lathe is better than no lathe at all.
  

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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 7:59pm
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JB, if you are looking  at a small lathe to start with and learn with, I would suggest looking at the 7X14 sold by MicroMark. Yes it is a small lathe, Yes it is often referred to as a "Project Lathe" in that you will need to do some smoothing and tuning to it to get it up and running smoothly.  On the other hand, for under $700 you will end up with a nice little lathe, doesn't take up much space and can be moved around if need be. There is lots of info on the web about these small lathes, check out (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links). There is also a groupe on Yahoo for the 7x12 lathes, lots of good folks there and an excellent source of info, all kinds of people from the totally inexperienced to the experts.
I have one of the MicroMart 7X14 lathes and I am pretty happy with it. You just have to keep in mind that it will not hog off a lot of material at one time but take you time and things will come off and make lots of chips on the floor. They will also cut threads, both English and metric. If you need to get tooling for these small lathes, (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) is probably the best source out there. I don't think that there is any part on those little lathes that they do not carry.
The only major repair that I have had to do to mine is to replace the headstock bearings with taper rolling bearings. I did that over a weekend and I think total cost was under $30.00 or so.   
Hope this helps you out some.
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Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 9:05pm
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The little machines will not usually have a quick change gear box, as with many older American machines in the "hobby" size, and you'll have to change gears to not only set up for threading but also for changing feed rates.  I have a 6x18" Atlas (ca. 1929) and almost never use it anymore, because of the hassle factor in changing the gear train around.  With lathes and mills, up to a point, bigger is better...the point being your wallet and available space!   Cheesy   

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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:30pm
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I am not knocking the mini lathes etc. But I do belong to several Yahoo groups including a couple of the lathe (smaller) groups IMO bases on what I have heard. The quaility is not always there for the money they seem to have lots of problem except for a couple brands.ant they do cost more. In spite of this I am sure for doing some things they would be fine.But as others have said if you plan on doing much gun work. I would buy the best I could afford that I had room for. as sometimes you will end up with as much money in the little one as you you could have got agood used one for. This is all JMO. Whitey
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:34pm
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Agree, bigger is better up to a point. You can make small parts on a big lathe but not the other way round. Have a 15 x 48 Clausing with one problem to watch for. Headstock is too long for barrels under about 34" long and don't care for the steady rest method of supporting a barrel  Rigged a long cathead with screws about 16" apart on a steady rest to thread and chamber most barrels.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:41pm
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The MicroMark 7x14 has dual speed ranges and a continuous dial, so you don't have to mess with gear changes.  It's the knob on the left in the picture above.  Another nice feature is that it's set up for inches, so you don't have to calculate conversions from metric.  That's not the case with many of these imported lathes.

If anybody has or will be getting one of these lathes, I have a collet set from MicroMark I'm not using.

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